Understanding Nabla Operator with Vector A

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The discussion focuses on the properties and applications of the nabla operator in relation to vectors and tensors. It highlights that "nabla A" and "A nabla" are not equivalent, and explores the potential expressions like "nabla A - A nabla" and "(A nabla) A - A (nabla A)." The conversation also touches on the commutator of operators, drawing parallels to quantum mechanics, particularly in how it applies to scalar functions. The participants express a mix of confusion and curiosity about the operator's mathematical implications. Understanding these relationships is essential for grasping advanced concepts in vector calculus and physics.
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Dear Friends,

Another question for dummies...

The operator "nabla" can be locates before or after a vector or a tensor. If you take the vector A, "nabla A" is not the same that "A nabla" but, is it possible to obtain "nabla A - A nabla"? ¿And "(A nabla) A - A (nabla A)"?


 
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I hope u're not insinuating that we (me included) would be "dummies"... :mad:

\nabla=\sum_{i=1}^{3} \frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}} \vec{e}_{i}(1)
in the cartezian system of coordinates
\vec{A}\cdot \nabla=\sum_{i=1}^{3} A_{i}\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}} (2)

\nabla\cdot\vec{A}=\sum_{i=1}^{3} \frac{\partial A_{i}}{\partial x_{i}} (3)

That's all u need to know.
[\nabla,\vec{A}]_{-}=:\nabla\cdot\vec{A}-\vec{A}\cdot \nabla
is kinda weird operator which is made from a multiplicative part and a differential part.
I've never seen it in physics in this form.A bit different form can be found in QM with the operators of position and momentum in the coordinate representations.It's basicaly minus the fundamental commutator relations.

Daniel.
 
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NOoooooooo

No... the "dummie" in mathematics and physics am I.
 
On a second thought about that commutator of operators,in analogy with the QM case,consider it to be applying on a scarar function \phi(\vec{r}) [/tex]<br /> <br /> [\nabla,\vec{A}(\vec{r})]_{-}\phi(\vec{r})=:\nabla\cdot [\vec{A}(\vec{r})\phi(\vec{r})]-\vec{A}\cdot \nabla\phi(\vec{r})=[\nabla\cdot \vec{A}(\vec{r})] \phi(\vec{r})<br /> <br /> Daniel.
 
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