Why is There No Factor of 1/2 in the Torsion Tensor Definition?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the torsion tensor in the context of covariant derivatives and the implications of antisymmetrization. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and conventions related to the presence or absence of a factor of 1/2 in the definition of the torsion tensor.

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  • One participant presents a mathematical expression involving covariant derivatives and questions the absence of a factor of 1/2 in the torsion tensor definition.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial formulation and clarifies the definition of antisymmetrization, noting that some sources include a prefactor of 1/2 while others do not.
  • A later reply acknowledges the existence of the prefactor in antisymmetrization and discusses its implications for the definition of the torsion tensor.
  • Participants highlight that the choice of including or excluding the prefactor is a matter of convention and that different sources may adopt different definitions.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical formulation but recognize that there is no consensus on the convention regarding the prefactor in antisymmetrization and the definition of the torsion tensor.

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There is an acknowledgment that the definition of antisymmetrization may vary across different sources, leading to potential confusion regarding the prefactor in the torsion tensor definition.

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Let's say we have any two covariant derivative operators ##\nabla## and ##\nabla'##. Then there exists a tensor ##C^{\alpha}_{\mu\nu}## such that for all covariant vectors ##\omega_{\nu}##,$$\nabla_{\mu}\omega_{\nu}=\nabla'_{\mu}\omega_{\nu}-C^{\alpha}_{\mu\nu}\omega_{\alpha}$$
Now I'm quoting the relevant section on torsion tensor definition:
What if the no-torsion requirement is dropped? Set ##\omega_{\nu}=\nabla_{\nu}\phi=\nabla'_{\nu}\phi##: (which gives) ##\nabla_{\mu}\nabla_{\nu}\phi=\nabla'_{\mu}\nabla'_{\nu}\phi-C^{\alpha}_{\mu\nu}\nabla_{\alpha}\phi##. Antisymmetrize over ##\mu## and ##\nu##, and assume ##\nabla'## is torsion free, but ##\nabla## is not. In that case ##\nabla_{[\mu}\nabla_{\nu]}\phi=-C^{\alpha}_{[\mu\nu]}\nabla_{\alpha}\phi##. The torsion tensor is defined as ##T^{\alpha}_{\mu\nu}\equiv 2C^{\alpha}_{[\mu\nu]}##, implying that $$(\nabla_{\mu}\nabla_{\nu}-\nabla_{\nu}\nabla_{\mu})\phi=-T^{\alpha}_{\mu\nu}\nabla_{\alpha}\phi$$
I don't understand why this is so. I mean the LHS is can also be notationally represented as ##\nabla_{[\mu}\nabla_{\nu]}\phi##, so either there should be a factor of ##1/2## on the RHS, or the torsion tensor should be defined as ##T^{\alpha}_{\mu\nu}\equiv C^{\alpha}_{[\mu\nu]}##, or am I missing something?
 
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Looks OK to me.$$\begin{eqnarray*}
\nabla_\mu\nabla_\nu\phi-\nabla_\nu\nabla_\mu\phi&=&-C^\alpha{}_{\mu\nu}\nabla_\alpha\phi+C^\alpha{}_{\nu\mu}\nabla_\alpha\phi\\
2\nabla_{[\mu}\nabla_{\nu]}\phi&=&-2C^\alpha_{[\mu\nu]}\nabla_\alpha\phi\\
&=&-T^\alpha{}_{\mu\nu}\nabla_\alpha\phi
\end{eqnarray*}$$You appear to be defining anti-symmetrisation as$$\nabla_{[\mu}\nabla_{\nu]}\phi=\nabla_\mu\nabla_\nu\phi-\nabla_\nu\nabla_\mu\phi$$Carroll, at least, defines it as$$\nabla_{[\mu}\nabla_{\nu]}\phi=\frac 12\left(\nabla_\mu\nabla_\nu\phi-\nabla_\nu\nabla_\mu\phi\right)$$Carroll is consistent with your OP (note: in general the prefactor is ##1/n!## when ##n## indices are being summed over). I seem to recall reading that not all sources put the ##1/n!## prefactor in - are you possibly taking a definition of anti-symmetrisation from a source that doesn't include it and a definition of torsion from a source that does?
 
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Ah you're right. I didn't know that the antisymmetrization operator is defined along with a factor of ##1/2##
 
Shirish said:
Ah you're right. I didn't know that the antisymmetrization operator is defined along with a factor of ##1/2##
It certainly appears to have been defined that way here. The argument for the prefactor comes from the notion that if you have an antisymmetric tensor ##A^{\mu\nu}## then ##A^{[\mu\nu]}=\frac 12\left(A^{\mu\nu}-A^{\nu\mu}\right)=A^{\mu\nu}## and antisymmetrising an already antisymmetrised tensor does nothing. A similar argument can be made for wanting a symmetrised symmetric tensor to be unchanged, and hence placing the same prefactor there.

However, it's purely a convention. Having had a quick glance at Carroll's notes confirms my recollection - he warns that not everyone puts in the prefactor. So you do have to keep an eye on what convention is in use!
 
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