Understanding Normal Ordering: Anhillation and Creation Operators Explained

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The discussion revolves around the concept of normal ordering in quantum field theory, specifically focusing on the treatment of annihilation and creation operators. Participants explore the implications of normal ordering when applied to products of these operators, particularly in the context of complex scalar fields and their quantization.

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  • One participant notes that in normal ordering, annihilation operators are placed to the left and creation operators to the right, questioning the outcome when normal ordering products of two annihilation or two creation operators.
  • Another participant explains that applying two annihilation operators or two creation operators to the vacuum state results in zero, indicating that one must create something before annihilating it to return to the vacuum state.
  • A different participant raises a concern that after normal ordering in the quantization of complex fields, terms involving particle and antiparticle creation disappear from the Hamiltonian, prompting further inquiry.
  • Another contribution emphasizes the need to decompose fields into creation and annihilation parts to achieve normal ordering, and mentions the use of commutation relations to derive energy contributions.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of normal ordering, particularly regarding the treatment of products of annihilation and creation operators. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of operators and fields, as well as unresolved mathematical steps related to the normal ordering process and its effects on the Hamiltonian.

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In normal ordering method the anhillation operators are put in the left and creation operators on the right. What happens when we try to normal order the product of two anhillation operators or two creation operators (as in the case of complex scalar fields). What are we doing there actually..??

:a^\daggerb^\dagger: = ??
 
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If you have two annihilation operator or two creation operation sandwiched between vacuum states,you will not be able to get the vacuum after annihilating two times vacuum(annihilation operator acting on vacuum will give automatically zero) or creating something out of vacuum twice.You have to create something and then annihilate it to get vacuum again.
In general,you have to decompose the field into sums of some fields like,
$$ψ(x)=ψ^+(x)+ψ^-(x)$$,where one part will be responsible for creation and other part for annihilation.
 
In quantizing the complex field, there will be creation of particle and antiparticle -terms. They will come as a product in hamiltonian. After the normal ordering process I can't see such terms involving in the hamiltonian. Thats why the question.

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when you are writing the product of fields,you have to decompose the fields into creation and annihilation part as I written above,and then you can get a normal ordering.After doing it you use the commutation relations between fields and try to get a contribution for energy.You have to define some number operators like $$N_a=a^{\dagger}a$$
 

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