Explicit form of annihilation and creation operators for Dirac field

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The discussion revolves around the explicit formulation of annihilation and creation operators in quantum field theory (QFT), particularly in the context of the Dirac field and the Massive Thirring Model. Participants explore the differences between these operators in quantum mechanics (QM) and QFT, as well as their representations in terms of differential operators and functional derivatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the explicit form of annihilation and creation operators in QFT, comparing them to their counterparts in QM.
  • Another participant explains that these operators act on structured sets of functions and can be expressed, but they require smearing and do not map between functions of the same number of variables.
  • A participant suggests that it is possible to formulate these operators in terms of functional derivatives, referencing a specific equation from a textbook.
  • There is a discussion about the path integral formalism for fermionic fields, highlighting the need for Grassmann numbers in this context.
  • One participant recommends learning the path integral approach for quantizing local gauge symmetric theories, noting its advantages over the operator formalism.
  • Another participant mentions that the fermionic case is similar to the bosonic case, with the key difference being the use of anti-commutators instead of commutators.
  • There is a mention of different normalization conventions for the fermionic operators, indicating variability in approaches among textbooks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the explicit forms of the operators or the best approach to their formulation. Multiple competing views on the representation of these operators and the use of different formalisms remain evident throughout the discussion.

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The discussion includes references to specific equations and textbooks, indicating that participants are drawing on established literature, but the interpretations and applications of these references vary. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in quantizing gauge theories.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for those studying quantum field theory, particularly in understanding the nuances of operator formalism versus path integral approaches, as well as the treatment of fermionic fields.

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I'm unclear on what exactly an annihilation or creation operator looks like in QFT. In QM these operators for the simple harmonic oscillator had an explicit form in terms of

$$
\hat{a}^\dagger = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(- \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}q} + q \right),\;\;\;\hat{a} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\left(\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}q} + q \right)
$$
however I cannot find any explicit terms for these in QFT. My question is, is it possible to formulate an expression for them in terms of a differential operator or do we just assume that they exist in QFT? I am particularly interested in the Massive Thirring Model (Dirac field in 1+1D with self interactions).
 
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They act on quite an structured set of functions. It is possible to write them explicitly but consider that a creation operator ##a_{p}^{\dagger}## acting on a one particle state ##f\left(q\right)## maps it into a two particle state ##f\left(p,q\right)## also they need to be smeared or else the result won't be a state. The creation operator for example acts as:
$$a_{p}^{\dagger} f = \delta\left(q-p\right)\otimes f, \quad f \in \mathcal{H}_{-\frac{1}{2}}\left(\mathbb{R}^{3}\right)^{\otimes n}$$

This isn't really usable in a analytic sense like the ones from QM since they don't map between functions of the same fixed number of variables. One just needs their algebraic properties.
 
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Thank you both.

Demystifier said:
It is possible, in terms of functional derivatives. See e.g. https://www.amazon.com/dp/0201360799/?tag=pfamazon01-20 Eq. (10.40).
I checked the reference you provided and it helped so thank you. Do you know what the creation and annihilation operators would look like for a fermionic field? I don't have much experience with the path integral formalism and I'm struggling with the manipulations.
 
Well, the path integral is well worth learning when dealing with QFT. It makes some issues much more simple (though it's still complicated enough). Particularly quantizing local gauge symmetric theories (among them the Standard Model of HEPs) is much more complicated in the (covariant) operator formalism.

As it turns out the path integral for fermions needs the introduction of "Grassmann numbers" rather than usual complex numbers to describe the fields integrated over in the path integral. A good textbook introducing QFT in the "path-integral-first" way is

D. Bailin, A. Love, Introduction to Gauge Field Theory, Adam Hilger, Bristol and Boston (1986).
 
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QFT1995 said:
I checked the reference you provided and it helped so thank you. Do you know what the creation and annihilation operators would look like for a fermionic field? I don't have much experience with the path integral formalism and I'm struggling with the manipulations.
For fermions you need functional derivatives with respect to Grassmann valued fields. See e.g. my http://de.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0302152 Eqs. (9) and (11).
 
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Of course you can also work in the operator formalism. For gauge theories it's a pretty complicated eneavor though; I'd recommend to learn only QED in the operator formalism, then learn path-integral methods and then go to the non-Abelian case.

For free fields, for which a mode decomposition, usually in terms of the momentum-spin single-particle eigenbasis, makes sense. The fermionic case is not much different from the bosonic one. The only difference is that you have anti-commutators instead of commutators, i.e.,
$$\{ \hat{a}(\vec{p},\sigma),\hat{a}(\vec{p}',\sigma') \} =0, \quad \{ \hat{a}(\vec{p},\sigma),\hat{a}^{\dagger}(\vec{p}',\sigma') \} = N(\vec{p}) \delta^{(3)}(\vec{p}-\vec{p}') \delta_{\sigma \sigma'}.$$
The normalization factor is a matter of convention. Some textbooks use the simple but non-covariant one, ##N(\vec{p})=1##, others use the covariant one with ##N(\vec{p})=(2 \pi)^3 2 E_{\vec{p}}##.
 

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