Understanding of gravity in the Middle Ages

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The discussion revolves around the understanding of gravity during the Middle Ages, examining historical beliefs, misconceptions, and the evolution of thought regarding gravitational forces. Participants explore the implications of these beliefs on scientific understanding and the nature of knowledge during that period.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Dante's depiction of gravity in the Divine Comedy suggests an understanding of gravity as a force from the Earth's center, contrasting with modern views of gravity as a force acting from all parts of a mass.
  • One participant asserts that people in the Middle Ages did not understand the force keeping the Moon in orbit, which was only clarified with Newton's theory of Universal Gravitation in the 1600s.
  • Another participant mentions that medieval beliefs included the idea that angels pushed the Moon in its orbit, reflecting Aristotelian views on motion.
  • Some argue that the lack of a concept of force or inertia in the Middle Ages limited their understanding of gravity and its properties.
  • There is a perspective that the medieval approach to science was based on simple rules and anthropomorphism, which shaped their understanding of natural phenomena.
  • Participants express difficulty in comprehending how people managed their lives without modern scientific knowledge, suggesting that the importance of understanding gravity was not relevant to their daily existence.
  • Some participants speculate that future societies may look back at current scientific methods with similar skepticism as they do towards medieval beliefs.
  • There is a discussion about the concept of "agency," with one participant seeking clarification on its meaning in the context of scientific understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reveals multiple competing views regarding the understanding of gravity in the Middle Ages, with no consensus on the extent of their knowledge or the implications of their beliefs.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in medieval scientific understanding, including the absence of key concepts like force and inertia, and the reliance on religious or philosophical explanations for natural phenomena.

  • #31
Mark Harder said:
Stand at the edge of a high precipice, Mark the spot directly beneath a ball that you hold in your hand.
I wonder how you would determine where that spot is and the accuracy of your chosen method. I would suggest that dropping the ball would be a probable way - or a plumb line. Did you calculate the likely difference between the answers from the two methods. Latitude would affect things, too.
 
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  • #32
sophiecentaur said:
I wonder how you would determine where that spot is and the accuracy of your chosen method. I would suggest that dropping the ball would be a probable way - or a plumb line. Did you calculate the likely difference between the answers from the two methods. Latitude would affect things, too.

Dropping a ball to mark the spot would be a circular argument. I imagine they had plumb bobs in those days. I think they would consider the line to the weight moves with the earth. If you move the top of the line by exerting an unnatural force on it, it moves in the direction of motion of the suspension point.
I 'm afraid I can't answer your question about the precision of the measurement. I don't know if they took that into consideration. They were capable of measuring the relative angular motion of the stars and moon, but I believe they would need trigonometry to convert angular to linear measurements, unless they used Euclid and similar triangles. Still, that would require knowing the distance to the reference object in space. By the middle ages, Euclid was known and the diameter of the Earth was known. However, the discipline of mathematical physics took a while. I believe Galileo is generally considered the founder of math phys. because he derived laws governing falling objects, for instance, from experimental measurements - inclined planes in this case. It's possible that earlier experiments were strictly qualitative, not quantitative. In which case, experiments like the falling ball are subject to experimental error and lack of precision, as you point out.
 
  • #33
Mark Harder said:
Dropping a ball to mark the spot would be a circular argument.
That's why I queried what you wrote. A falling ball will be subject to the fictional Coriolis force, which will take it Eastwards as its height reduces. The amount of movement will be small - by a factor of height / Earth's radius. What you say about astronomical measurements could be relevant; the Maths would have been no problem for them. I am always stunned at how Keppler and others worked to such accuracy but angles between point sources are probably a lot easier to measure reliably (averaging out atmospheric disturbances etc.) than the equivalent on Earth. I would expect air currents to produce errors which are greater than what's being measured unless the ball is very massive.
 

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