Understanding Permeability of Space

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The discussion revolves around the concept of permeability of space, particularly in relation to electromagnetism and its implications for the propagation of electromagnetic waves. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between permeability and permittivity, as well as their relevance to both classical and relativistic frameworks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of permeability of space, suggesting it relates to the maximum speed of waves through space.
  • Another participant clarifies that permeability is typically associated with magnetic fields, referencing magnetic permeability.
  • A participant notes that the term "permeability of free space" suggests a broader application beyond magnetism.
  • It is stated that permeability applies classically to magnetism, while electric permittivity relates to electricity, and both govern the speed of electromagnetic propagation.
  • Discussion includes the idea that in special relativity, the relationship between electric and magnetic fields is frame-dependent, while vacuum values for permittivity and permeability remain constant.
  • A question is raised about whether permeability and permittivity also account for matter or are limited to charge and electromagnetic phenomena.
  • One participant proposes that a charge creates a local anomaly in space that modifies permittivity and permeability, affecting the propagation of light and electromagnetic fluctuations.
  • Another interpretation of matter is suggested, describing it as a system of multiple charges in motion, influencing the stability and localization of electromagnetic energy flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of permeability and permittivity, particularly regarding their relationship to matter and electromagnetic phenomena. There is no consensus on the broader implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding how permeability and permittivity interact with matter, as well as the dependence on specific definitions and contexts within classical and relativistic physics.

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I've always found this interesting especially because I never really knew what it means hehe.

What is permeability of space?

To me it sounds like the maximum speed that a wave can go through space, and space is assigned a constant for its ability in suppressing its magnitude of speed ? :confused:
 
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Yes. I keep seeing the term permeability of free space. So I'm assuming it doesn't hold exclusively to magnetism.
 
Classically, permeability applies only to magnetism and is more specifically called magnetic permeability. The related term for electricity is electric permittivity. Together, with other parameters they govern the speed of propagation of EM.

But of course, in SR the relationship between electric and magnetic fields varies depending on the frame of reference. Vacuum permittivity and permeability should not vary but within media the permittivity and permeability values are no longer constants.
 
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PhilDSP said:
Classically, permeability applies only to magnetism and is more specifically called magnetic permeability. The related term for electricity is electric permittivity. Together, with other parameters they govern the speed of propagation of EM.

But of course, in SR the relationship between electric and magnetic fields varies depending on the frame of reference. Vacuum permittivity and permeability should not vary but within media the permittivity and permeability values are no longer constants.

Could it be that permeability and permittivity of space also accounts for matter. Or does it only hold true for charge or EM?
 
You could put it this way: a charge causes a local anomaly to form in the space around it where permittivity and permeability values are profoundly modified. That means that the passage of light and other types of EM fluctuations are strongly affected by the presence of the charge. One interpretation of matter is that it consists of a system of 2 or more charges in mutual motion where the flow of the energy inherent in the EM fluctuations is stable, persistent and localized.
 
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