Understanding Perturbation Theory: Solving for Roots and Coefficients

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around understanding perturbation theory, specifically in relation to solving for roots and coefficients of equations. Participants explore the implications of a graph depicting roots versus epsilon and how to approach a specific equation involving logarithms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the solid line in a graph representing two of the three roots versus epsilon, seeking clarification on its meaning.
  • Another participant proposes a method for addressing the equation (x² - 4) = ε ln(x), suggesting the use of the Taylor series for ln(x) around x=1, while noting its convergence limitations.
  • A later reply reiterates the confusion regarding the solid line, acknowledging that two of the roots are positive but questioning the specific equation used for the plot.
  • Another participant asserts that finding a solution in terms of simple functions is not possible, suggesting that the solid line likely represents numerical solutions for various values of epsilon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the graph and the solid line, with no consensus on the specific equation used or the nature of the solutions presented. There is also a divergence in views on the feasibility of expressing solutions in simple functional forms.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the convergence of the Taylor series for ln(x) and the lack of clarity on the specific equations or methods used to generate the graph in question.

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From the following attachments I understand how the roots of the equation and the perturbation coefficients were found. What I don't get is the solid line in the graph that is allegedly the plot of two of the three roots versus epsilon. Can somebody clear this up for me? Also, how would I proceed w/the following question where (x2 – 4) = ε ln(x)? What series would I use for ln(x)?
 

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Also, how would I proceed w/the following question where (x2 – 4) = ε ln(x)? What series would I use for ln(x)?

The well known Taylor series around x=1 for the logarithm is

<br /> \textrm{log}(x) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^{k+1}}{k}(x-1)^k.<br />

The nasty thing with this is, that it converges only for 0&lt;x&lt;2, so you need to be careful when using it. After attempt x=x_0 + \epsilon x_1 + \epsilon^2 x_2 + O(\epsilon^3), it would be smart to do this:

<br /> \textrm{log}(x_0 \;+\; \epsilon x_1 \;+\; \epsilon^2 x_2 \;+\; O(\epsilon^3))\; =\; \textrm{log}(x_0) \;+\; \textrm{log}\big(1 \;+\; \epsilon\frac{x_1}{x_0} \;+\; \epsilon^2\frac{x_2}{x_0} \;+\; O(\epsilon^3)\big)<br />

Then use the Taylor series only to the second logarithm on the right side. As long as x_1 and x_2 are not going to be significantly larger than x_0, the approximation should be working.
 
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Thank you for the heads up on the ln(x) series

But does anyone know what the solid line in the previous attachment for the solution is referring too? The author refers to it as being 2 of the 3 solutions and I follow that because 2 of them are positive. But what equation is he using in the plot?
 
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The whole point is that you can't find a solution in terms of any simple function. I would presume that the solid line is generated through numerical solutions for a variety of values of \epsilon[/b].
 

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