Understanding Peskin Eq 3.50-3.53 and Dirac Spinor

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The discussion revolves around understanding specific equations (3.50 to 3.53) from Peskin's text, particularly focusing on the interpretation of the square root of matrices, the verification of solutions to the Dirac equation, and the concept of "large boost" in the context of Dirac spinors. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual clarifications related to quantum field theory.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the interpretation of \(\sqrt{p\cdot\sigma}\) and expresses confusion about the square root of matrices.
  • Another participant suggests that the square root of a matrix is explained in Peskin and implies it is straightforward algebra.
  • A different participant questions the component expression of the square root of a matrix and seeks further clarification.
  • One participant explains that to find the eigenvalues of a matrix, one must solve the characteristic polynomial.
  • Another participant emphasizes that defining the square root of a matrix is complex and not necessary for the discussions in equations (3.50) and suggests that results can be derived using Dirac-\(\gamma^{\mu}\) matrices without taking roots.
  • Discussion on "large boost" indicates that it refers to allowing \(p_3\) to become large, leading to specific simplifications in the expressions for energy.
  • One participant notes that the square root of a hermitian positive semidefinite matrix can be defined through diagonalization and discusses the uniqueness of such square roots.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the square root of matrices and the implications of large boosts. There is no consensus on the interpretation of these concepts, and multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

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Limitations include the complexity of defining matrix square roots, the dependence on the properties of matrices (e.g., hermitian, positive semidefinite), and the unresolved nature of the participants' questions regarding Dirac spinors and their transformations.

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Hi, all

I'm reading peskin by myself.
I can't understand from eq(3.50) to eq(3.53).

i) What should I interpret \sqrt{p\cdot\sigma}?
I guess below, but I can't understand \sqrt{\;\;} of matrices.

\begin{eqnarray}
p\cdot\sigma=E \left(\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 \end{array}\right) - p^3\left(\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & -1 \end{array}\right) \\
= \left(\begin{array}{cc} E-p^3 & 0 \\ 0 & E+p^3 \end{array}\right)
\end{eqnarray}

And why is it the same as (3.49)?

ii)How can I confirm (3.50) is a solution of the Dirac equation?

iii)What's meaning of "large boost" in (3.52) and (3.53)?
If I understand the Dirac spinor more, is it easy transform?
When so, where can I study Dirac spinor easily?

Thanks in advance!
 
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i. In Peskin they immediately explain what they mean by sqrt of a matrix right after its use...
then it's just algebra...

ii. you just put it in dirac's equation...

iii. Large boost means that you are doing a large boost... a boost is described by the parameter \eta (in the same way rotations are described by \theta). At the limit \eta \rightarrow \infinity you get that result...
 
ChrisVer said:
i. In Peskin they immediately explain what they mean by sqrt of a matrix right after its use...
then it's just algebra...

Thanks ChrisVer.
I'm not native, so a little difficult to understand that sentense. Sorry,but I ask in another words.

If A=\left(\begin{array}{cc} a & b \\ c & d \end{array}\right),
\sqrt{A}=\left(\begin{array}{cc} \sqrt{eigenvalue1} & 0 \\ 0 & \sqrt{eigenvalue2} \end{array}\right)?
I want to know the component expression.
 
then you have to find the eigenvalues of your matrix A... :) except for the case the A is in diagonal form...
for the eigenvalues of a general matrix, you find them by solving the characteristic polynomial of \alpha:
det(A-I \alpha)=0
\alpha are the eigenvalues. I the unitary matrix... det=determinant...
 
ChrisVer said:
then you have to find the eigenvalues of your matrix A... :) except for the case the A is in diagonal form...
for the eigenvalues of a general matrix, you find them by solving the characteristic polynomial of \alpha:
det(A-I \alpha)=0
\alpha are the eigenvalues. I the unitary matrix... det=determinant...

I understand.
Thank you!
 
CORRECTION
sorry I just saw Peskin did a boost only along the 3 direction ok...
 
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Hello, I am sorry to come up here again, but I just read these parts in Peskin.
I don't understand your question now about the "Easy to transform spinor", But I can answer better the question about the large boosts.
You have the quantities \sqrt{E \pm p_3} multiplying the 2-component spinors.
Now a large boost means that you are letting p_3 become large... In this case E = \sqrt{m^2 + p_3 ^2} \approx p_3
So the \sqrt{E - p_3}= 0 and \sqrt{E + p_3}= \sqrt{2E}
 
Just let me make some remarks about the square root of a matrix. It's not so simple! It's not even necessary for the issue it's applied in (3.50). Everything can derived with the Dirac-\gamma^{\mu} matrices without taking roots.

To define the square root of matrices, let's discuss only hermitean positive semidefinite matrices. As you know from linear algebra, a hermitean matrix can also be diagonalized by a unitary transformation, and all eigenvalues are real. The eigenvectors are orthogonal to each other and can be normalized, so that you have a unitary transformation from the original basis to the so defined eigenbasis. The matrix is called positive semidefinite, if all eigenvalues are \geq 0.

Now to define \sqrt{\hat{A}} for such a matrix, of course you like to have (\sqrt{\hat{A}})^2=\hat{A}. Now you can diagonalize the original matrix with a unitary transformation,
\hat{A}'=\hat{U} \hat{A} \hat{U}^{\dagger}=\mathrm{diag}(\lambda_1,\ldots,\lambda_n),
where n is the dimension of our unitary vector space (Hilbert space of finite dimension).

Now for this diagonal matrix, it's easy to find \sqrt{\hat{A}'}, but it's not unique. One solution possibility is the one Peskin and Schroeder choose: Just take the positive roots of all the eigenvalues:
\sqrt{\hat{A}'}=\mathrm{diag}(\sqrt{\lambda_1},\ldots,\sqrt{\lambda}_n).
Of course you can also choose the negative roots or the positive and negative roots for the different eigenvalues. All together you have 2^n square roots of such a positive semidefinite diagonal matrix.

Each of these square roots is uniquely mapped back to the original basis by
\sqrt{\hat{A}}=\hat{U}^{\dagger} \sqrt{\hat{A}'} \hat{U}.
Indeed you directly verify
(\hat{U}^{\dagger} \sqrt{\hat{A}'} \hat{U})^2 = \hat{U}^{\dagger} \sqrt{\hat{A}'} \hat{U}\hat{U}^{\dagger} \sqrt{\hat{A}'} \hat{U} = \hat{U}^{\dagger} (\sqrt{\hat{A}'})^2 \hat{U} = \hat{U}^{\dagger} \hat{A} \hat{U} = \hat{U}^{\dagger} \hat{U} \hat{A} \hat{U}^{\dagger} \hat{U} = \hat{A}.
In this way you define arbitrary functions of hermitean matrices (or even operators in infininte-dimensional Hilbert space).
 

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