Understanding Phonons & Quantum Sound Waves in a Lattice

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The discussion centers on the quantization of sound waves, specifically phonons, in a lattice structure. Participants explore the physical intuition behind this phenomenon, the mathematical derivations involved, and the implications of quantization in the context of atomic vibrations and boundary conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks physical intuition for the quantization of sound waves, noting two mathematical approaches without gaining insight into the underlying mechanism.
  • Another participant suggests that the quantization of sound is related to the quantization of matter and the regular spacing of atoms in a lattice.
  • A question is raised about whether phonons could have been discovered before the Schrödinger equation, linking historical context to the understanding of phonons.
  • Discussions about the meaning of discretization in the context of phonons, including the existence of discrete k values and energy levels akin to particles in potential wells.
  • One participant emphasizes that the quantization of phonon energies arises from boundary conditions applied to the differential equations governing atomic displacements.
  • Another participant explains that phonon energy quantization is similar to that of particles in potential wells, with phonon modes corresponding to atomic vibrations across the crystal.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the distinction between phonon modes and normal modes, focusing on the periodicity of the lattice.
  • There is a discussion about whether the increment in phonon energy is due to discrete vibrational modes or an increase in the number of oscillators contributing to the energy mix.
  • A later reply asserts that the vibrational modes are quantized, providing a specific formula for energy levels in a harmonic crystal.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on the mechanisms behind phonon quantization and its implications. There is no consensus on the historical context of phonon discovery or the specific interpretations of discretization and energy contributions.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about harmonicity in crystals and the implications of boundary conditions, which may not be universally accepted or fully resolved.

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I'm looking for some physical intuition as to why sound waves are quantized.

I know two mathematical procedures for deriving phonons in a lattice: 1) impose the canonical commutation relations on the system ad-hoc, and 2) apply the Schrödinger equation to the lattice. But neither of these gives me any sense of what could be the mechanism by which sound is quantized in the lattice.

Any reference material would be greatly appreciated. I've looked around for a while on this.
 
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Matter, the medium in which sounds propagates, is quantized.

The lattice is composed of atoms, each of which has approximately the same mass, and which are approximately regularly spaced (lattice parameter).

Sound propagates by transfer of momentum and energy through successive atoms.
 
If the fact that the lattice is made of particles explains sound quantization, then does that imply that phonons could have been discovered prior to the advent of the Schrödinger equation?
 
Have you already checked this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon" ?
 
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I did look at the wiki article, thanks. I found it to be mathematically consistent with texts, but I didn't find the physical sense I'm trying to get. It gives a visual representation of the propagation of sound, but not quantization as far as I can tell.
 
Discretization could mean many things here.

For a finite lattice, phonons can only have discrete k values.

There are several w(k) branches for each value of k.

Phonons can have quantized energy levels like a particle in a harmonic (or anharmonic) well.

Which one are you talking about?
 
christianjb said:
Discretization could mean many things here.

For a finite lattice, phonons can only have discrete k values.

There are several w(k) branches for each value of k.

Phonons can have quantized energy levels like a particle in a harmonic (or anharmonic) well.

Which one are you talking about?

I mean the latter, energy levels.
 
The quantization of phonon energies arises not only out of the quantization of matter but more importantly, out of the boundary conditions that are applied to the differential equation describing the displacements.
 
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Astronuc said:
Matter, the medium in which sounds propagates, is quantized.

The lattice is composed of atoms, each of which has approximately the same mass, and which are approximately regularly spaced (lattice parameter).

Sound propagates by transfer of momentum and energy through successive atoms.

Do you think elementary particles could arise in this way?
 
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Quantization of energy levels for phonons occurs for just about the same reason that quantization of energy levels for a particle in a potential well --except that a phonon mode corresponds to atomic vibrations across the whole crystal.

For a harmonic system (and crystals are typically near-harmonic) Schrödinger's eqn. becomes separable into 3N non-interacting harmonic oscillator wells, where each well corresponds to a particular normal-mode of vibration. The energy in a each well is just (n+1/2) hbar omega, where omega is the frequency in the that well.

Oh- and the distinction between phonon modes and normal modes (say in a molecule) is that phonons have wave-vectors corresponding to the periodicity of the lattice.
 
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christianjb said:
Quantization of energy levels for phonons occurs for just about the same reason that quantization of energy levels for a particle in a potential well --except that a phonon mode corresponds to atomic vibrations across the whole crystal.

For a harmonic system (and crystals are typically near-harmonic) Schrödinger's eqn. becomes separable into 3N non-interacting harmonic oscillator wells, where each well corresponds to a particular normal-mode of vibration. The energy in a each well is just (n+1/2) hbar omega, where omega is the frequency in the that well.

So when the phonon energy increases, the reason it does so incrementally (i.e., quantized) is because the vibrational modes of the crystal have disrcrete energies? Or is it because the number of oscillators (molecules) is increasing by one, additional individual oscillators thus adding their vibrational energies to the mix?
 
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clicheophobe said:
So when the phonon energy increases, the reason it does so incrementally (i.e., quantized) is because the vibrational modes of the crystal have disrcrete energies? Or is it because the number of oscillators (molecules) is increasing by one, additional individual oscillators thus adding their vibrational energies to the mix?

The first. The vibrational modes are quantized. In a perfectly harmonic crystal, the vibrational mode corresponding to a well of frequency w0 would have energy levels (n+1/2)hbar w0. The 0-1 transition corresponds to a phonon of energy hbar w0, the 0-2 transition corresponds to a phonon of frequency 2hbar w0, which classically corresponds to an overtone.
 

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