Understanding Pressure Equations in Linear and Abstract Algebra

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The discussion revolves around the manipulation of the pressure equation PA - P atm A = K, change in X, with a focus on isolating the variable "P". Participants explore the algebraic steps involved in factoring the equation and express confusion regarding the disappearance of the variable "A" during the process.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to isolate "P" in the equation and expresses confusion about the second "A" seemingly disappearing during the factoring process.
  • Another participant suggests that instead of factoring out "A", "P" could be taken out, implying a different approach to the equation.
  • A later reply discusses the distributive law and its application, but also indicates a misunderstanding of the context of pressure and area in the equation.
  • There is a concern raised about the relationship between pressure and atmospheric pressure, suggesting that one cannot simply remove "P" without considering its significance.
  • Participants clarify that "P" refers to pressure, "A" to area, and "atm" to atmospheric pressure, indicating that the equation involves multiple pressures and their relationship to physical properties.
  • One participant reiterates their confusion about where the second "A" went in the factoring process, seeking further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to isolating "P" and the implications of the variables involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to factor the equation and the significance of the variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the equation involves multiple pressures and that the context of pressure in relation to area is crucial for understanding the manipulation of the equation. There are unresolved questions about the algebraic steps and their physical interpretations.

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Hi everyone, could someone please advise;

The equation;

PA - P atm A = K, change in X

If I wish to factor this equation to get "p" on its own, then;

PA - P atm A = K, change in X
= A ( P - P atm)

so the conclusion I draw is;

(P - P atm)A = K, change in X

My confusion is that I cannot work out how or where the second "A" went?

Could somebody put some light on the topic for me:confused:

David:smile:
 
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Auto Engineer said:
Hi everyone, could someone please advise;

The equation;

PA - P atm A = K, change in X

If I wish to factor this equation to get "p" on its own, then;

PA - P atm A = K, change in X
= A ( P - P atm)
If it is "P" you want to get on its own, why don' you take P out rather than A?

so the conclusion I draw is;

(P - P atm)A = K, change in X

My confusion is that I cannot work out how or where the second "A" went?

Could somebody put some light on the topic for me:confused:

David:smile:[/QUOTE]
PA- P atm A= K
P(A- atm A)= K

P= k/(A- atm A)= k/(A(1- atm)).

12 - 6= 3(4)- 3(2)= 3(4- 2). Where did the second "3" go? That is the distributive law: ax+ ay= a(x+ y).
 


HallsofIvy said:
If it is "P" you want to get on its own, why don' you take P out rather than A?

so the conclusion I draw is;

(P - P atm)A = K, change in X

My confusion is that I cannot work out how or where the second "A" went?

Could somebody put some light on the topic for me:confused:

David:smile:
PA- P atm A= K
P(A- atm A)= K

P= k/(A- atm A)= k/(A(1- atm)).

12 - 6= 3(4)- 3(2)= 3(4- 2). Where did the second "3" go? That is the distributive law: ax+ ay= a(x+ y).[/QUOTE]

The above distributive law is ok, but my example I feel you have misunderstood it:frown:

If "P" referred to "pressure" and "A" referred to "area", and "atm" was atmosphere, then one cannot remove "P" in that way and leave "atm" because "P" is the pressure of the atmosphere?
If using your method we said; PA - P atm A = K, and then you said; P(A - atm A) = K, the atmosphere cannot exist without "P" pressure, so A - A = 0, so P = K, the rest does not make sense to me, sorry:frown:

When the equation ends up with; (P - P atm)A = K, change in X, then I could work out from that the change in length of X?, this is because P - P atm means that say something (600 000 - 100 0000 = 500 000 x A = K, change in X, if you follow me with what I mean?

The equation is being factored to show the result obtained, I just need to understand how A seems to go missing?:frown:

David:smile:
 


Apparently I did misunderstand. Perhaps if you told me what all this (particularly "the atmosphere cannot exist without "P" pressure") has to do with "Linear and Abstract Algebra", it would help.
 


HallsofIvy said:
Apparently I did misunderstand. Perhaps if you told me what all this (particularly "the atmosphere cannot exist without "P" pressure") has to do with "Linear and Abstract Algebra", it would help.

Sorry that is my fault:eek:

P = pressure, but the equation is using more than one pressure which is why there are two "P"'s present, so (P - P atm) is saying that one pressure could be say liquid and then the other P atm is the atmospheric pressure. Also "A" is considered in this equation to be the area of a property, so a cylinder would be an example. K is understood to be a constant, and X is the change in length of a property like a spring, but the right hand side of the equation can be ignored when re aranging for "P". I am to understand the method is to factorise it, but I can only do so much of it.

So to recap;

PA - P atm A = K, change in X

= (P - P atm)A

This is all I know, what confuses me is where the second "A" went?

David:smile:
 

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