Calculate the pressure using the Van der Waal equation on reduced variables

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The discussion revolves around calculating pressure using the Van der Waals equation in reduced variables for a sample of ethane. The original poster presents their calculations and expresses concern about obtaining a very high pressure result.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate pressure using the Van der Waals equation, providing specific values for the parameters involved. Some participants question the accuracy of the calculations, particularly the value of the correction factor "a" and the resulting molar volume.

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Participants are actively reviewing the calculations, with some confirming the values for "a" and "b" while others express skepticism about the high pressure result. There is a mix of validation and questioning regarding the calculations, indicating an ongoing exploration of the problem.

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Participants note the importance of unit consistency and careful checking of each calculation step. There is also a mention of typical molar volumes at standard conditions, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Summary:: Find the pressure using the vdw equation in reduced variables

Hi everyone!
I have a doubt when I try to solve this exercise. The result was very high pressure.
Calculate the pressure using the reduced variable vdW equation for a sample of 74.8 grams of ethane in a ##200 cm^3## container and at ##310.5 K##. The ##P_c = 48.2 atm## and ##T_c = 305.4K##

I calculated the correction factors a and b as a function of ##T_c## and ##P_c##
##a=(27R^2T_c^2)/(64P_c)##
##b = (RT_c)/(8P_c)##

##a=5,489 L^2 atm/mol^2##
##b=0,0649 L/mol##


Then I calculated the moles and then calculated the molar volume:
74.8 gramos = 2,493 mol

##V_m = 0,2L/2,493mol##
##V_m = 0,08022 L/mol##


and the van der Waals equation of state:

##(P + \frac{a}{V_m^2})(V_m -b) = RT##

and clearing ##P## and replacing:

##(P + \frac{5.489}{(0,08022)^2})(0.08022 -0.0649) = (0.082)(310.5)##

##P = 808,5 atm##

This is possible?
Is the procedure correct?
Thank you very much for the help
 
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First of all carry the units and be sure to check each step of the calculation.
Always. Habitually. Never Forget.
I believe the first calculation (for a ) my be wrong. Now check all of them.
 
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hutchphd said:
First of all carry the units and be sure to check each step of the calculation.
Always. Habitually. Never Forget.
I believe the first calculation (for a ) my be wrong. Now check all of them.

hi hutchphd! :)
I checked and they give me well the factor "a".
I did the calculation again and it gives ##a=5,489 L^2 atm/mol^2 ##
thanks for the advice!
 
I'll take a look again later if you still don't find the problem. Does seem wrong to me...shouldn't the molar volume at 50 atm be ~half a liter (22.4 l/mole at stp)?
sorry i revised
 
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hutchphd said:
I'll take a look again later if you still don't find the problem. Does seem wrong to me...shouldn't the molar volume at 50 atm be ~half a liter (22.4 l/mole at stp)?
sorry i revised

I can't find the error, if there is one
:(
 
The values for a and b seem correct (and match published values!). The "occluded space" "b" for 2.5 mole is therefore ~.165 liter and so the pressure is going to be pretty damned high! I think your answer is correct (sorry for my lousy intuition here) Good luck.
 
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hutchphd said:
The values for a and b seem correct (and match published values!). The "occluded space" "b" for 2.5 mole is therefore ~.165 liter and so the pressure is going to be pretty damned high! I think your answer is correct (sorry for my lousy intuition here) Good luck.

You have been very helpful! thank you very much!
 
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