Understanding Proton Decay: College Physics Help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of proton decay within the context of nuclear physics and quantum mechanics. Participants explore the mechanisms of particle decay, specifically focusing on protons and neutrons, and delve into the theoretical frameworks that govern these processes, including weak interactions and Grand Unified Theories (GUTs).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that protons do not decay under normal conditions, while neutrons can decay into protons and other particles.
  • Others propose that in certain atomic nuclei, protons can undergo decay via processes like beta+ decay, which involves the weak interaction.
  • A participant questions how particles can change into one another, noting the distinction between quarks and leptons.
  • Some contributions mention that current physics allows for the creation of leptons in pairs during decay processes.
  • Participants discuss the implications of Grand Unified Theories, which predict that free protons will eventually decay, although no experimental evidence has confirmed this yet.
  • There is mention of sphalerons and their role in violating baryon and lepton number conservation, with some participants expressing confusion about how this aligns with the Standard Model.
  • Discussions include the idea that certain symmetries may not hold in non-perturbative scenarios, leading to potential violations of conservation laws.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the stability of protons and the mechanisms of decay, with no consensus reached on the implications of baryon number conservation or the role of sphalerons. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of proton decay and the validity of various theoretical models.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of particle interactions and the limitations of current theories in fully explaining observed phenomena. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further research into Grand Unified Theories and the implications of non-perturbative effects in quantum field theory.

  • #31
It is an old textbook in russian: Particle physics and Symmetries - Svörtynsky

The problem says:

Of all the fermion bilinears (scalar, pseudoscalar, vector, axialvector and tensor), which of them cancel for a Majorana fermion such that ##\psi = \psi^c##? Does a kinetic term of the form ## \bar{\psi}\gamma_{\mu}\partial^{\mu}\psi^c ## cancel?
 
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  • #32
@Breo: open a new thread for a new question please.
 
  • #33
I still do not understand one thing. Probably is a small misconception.

If protons are generally considered to be stable because the baryon number symmetry protects them, but it is broken in the Standard Model at the quantum level (chiral anomaly, but still SM), why we still say that protons are stable in SM? (forget about GUTs)
 
  • #34
In last week's seminar, a professor said that the chiral anomaly will lead to a lifetime of $10^{70}$ years.

From this I conclude the following: The SU(5) GUT have lifetimes of sometimes less than $10^{35}$ years. Therefore the difference is so large, that one can consider the protons stable even with the chiral anomaly in the standard model.
 
  • #35
zombie post...
 

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