Understanding Qubits and Complex Scalars: The Role of Imaginary Numbers

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The discussion centers on the use of complex scalars to represent qubits in quantum mechanics, exploring the reasons behind the preference for complex numbers over real numbers in this context. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding mathematical models in quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant questions the necessity of using complex scalars for qubits, asking why real numbers are not sufficient.
  • Another participant argues that the choice of complex numbers is not problematic, emphasizing that mathematical models do not need to correspond directly to physical counting scenarios, such as counting cows.
  • This participant also notes that complex numbers are effective for representing 2D positions, translations, and rotations, suggesting that rewriting laws in terms of real numbers would complicate the mathematical framework without clear benefit.
  • A later reply reiterates the effectiveness of the mathematical model and hints at multiple reasons for the use of complex numbers in quantum mechanics, though specifics are not provided.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of using complex numbers in quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on the issue, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion does not delve into specific mathematical justifications or the implications of using complex versus real numbers, leaving these aspects open for further exploration.

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Hi,

Does anybody know why we have complex scalers to represent qubits..I mean why they are not real numbers.

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What does it matter that they're not real numbers? There are complex numbers that don't correspond to the number of cows you can have in a field... so what? You also can't have -1 cows in a field, or fit fifty trillion cows in a field. While we're at it, you can't have "F=ma" cows in a field either.

We're not counting cows in fields, so why would we expect to only use mathematical abstractions matched to that task?

I really just don't see the problem here. We have a mathematical model that works, we know how to map between the model and reality, and the model happens to internally use values that are good at representing 2d positions, translations, and rotations. There's nothing amiss. We can rewrite our laws to use pairs of real numbers instead of complex numbers, but why would we do that? It would just double the amount of symbol manipulation.
 
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Strilanc said:
I really just don't see the problem here. We have a mathematical model that works, we know how to map between the model and reality, and the model happens to internally use values that are good at representing 2d positions, translations, and rotations. There's nothing amiss. We can rewrite our laws to use pairs of real numbers instead of complex numbers, but why would we do that? It would just double the amount of symbol manipulation.

That's true.

I interpret such questions as why do we have complex numbers in QM for which there are quite a few reasons.

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Bill
 

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