Understanding Random Variable Mapping and Probability Functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of mapping for random variables, specifically in the context of probability functions and outcome spaces. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these mappings, as well as their application in a specific exercise involving urns and the associated probabilities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the requirements for defining the mapping of a random variable, questioning whether it necessitates specifying the outcome space and the probability function.
  • A participant cites a definition from a wiki source, stating that a random variable is a measurable function from a set of possible outcomes to a measurable space, and emphasizes the need to characterize the mapping uniquely.
  • In a specific exercise, participants discuss the setup involving two urns with red and white balls, outlining the outcome space and calculating probabilities for various outcomes.
  • Participants present the mapping rules for random variables representing profits for two individuals based on the outcomes of drawing balls from the urns, with detailed mappings provided for different scenarios.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the distinction between the mapping of the random variable and the probability map, indicating that they are separate entities that need to be identified independently.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to define both the mapping of the random variable and the probability map, but there is some uncertainty about the specifics of what constitutes the mapping and how it should be represented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the definitions of random variables and measurable functions, as well as the specific context of the exercise involving urns, which may not be universally applicable without further clarification.

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Hey! :giggle:

What does it mean to give the mapping for a random variable? Do we have to give the outcome space and the probability function? Does it hold that $X: ( \Omega, P)\mapsto \mathbb{R}$ ? :unsure:
 
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mathmari said:
What does it mean to give the mapping for a random variable? Do we have to give the outcome space and the probability function? Does it hold that $X: ( \Omega, P)\mapsto \mathbb{R}$ ?
Hey mathmari!

From the wiki definition:
A random variable $X$ is a measurable function $X \colon \Omega \to E$ from a set of possible outcomes $\Omega$ to a measurable space $E$.

[...]

The probability that $X$ takes on a value in a measurable set $S\subseteq E$ is written as

$$\operatorname{P}(X \in S) = \operatorname{P}(\{ \omega \in \Omega \mid X(\omega) \in S \})$$


To give a mapping means that we need to characterize that mapping uniquely. 🤔
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Hey mathmari!

From the wiki definition:
A random variable $X$ is a measurable function $X \colon \Omega \to E$ from a set of possible outcomes $\Omega$ to a measurable space $E$.

[...]

The probability that $X$ takes on a value in a measurable set $S\subseteq E$ is written as

$$\operatorname{P}(X \in S) = \operatorname{P}(\{ \omega \in \Omega \mid X(\omega) \in S \})$$


To give a mapping means that we need to characterize that mapping uniquely. 🤔


The exercise statement is :

An urn 1 contains 2 red and 8 white balls. An urn 2 contains 4 red and 6 white balls. A ball is drawn from each urn.

(a) Give a suitable probability space.

(b) Tim receives 1 Euro if the ball from urn 1 is red. Lena receives 1 euro if the Ball from urn 2 is white. Give the mapping rule for a random variable X that describes the profit of Tim, and a random variable Y, which describes Lena's profit. Find the joint distribution of X and Y. Are X and Y independent?At (a) I have found the outcome space $\Omega =\{ (R,R), (R,W), (W,R),(W,W)\}$ and the probabilities \begin{align*}&p((R,R))=\frac{2}{10}\cdot \frac{4}{10}=\frac{2}{25} \\ &p((R,W))=\frac{2}{10}\cdot \frac{6}{10}=\frac{3}{25} \\ &p((W,R))=\frac{8}{10}\cdot \frac{4}{10}=\frac{8}{25} \\ &p((W,W))=\frac{8}{10}\cdot \frac{6}{10}=\frac{12}{25}\end{align*} At (b) we have \begin{align*}&X(R,R)=1 \\ &X(R,W)= 1\\ &X(W,R)=0 \\ &X(W,W)=0\end{align*} and so \begin{align*}&P(X=1)=P(R,R)+P(R,W)=\frac 2{25}+\frac 3{25}=\frac 15 \\ &P(X=0)=P(W,R)+P(W,W)=\frac{8}{25}+\frac{12}{25}=\frac{4}{5}\end{align*} So is the map that we are looking for the $X$, the $P$ or both of them or something completely else? :unsure:
 
The map of the random variable $X: \Omega \to \text{Euros}$ is given by what you've already found:
\begin{align*}&X(R,R)=€ 1 \\ &X(R,W)= € 1\\ &X(W,R)=€ 0 \\ &X(W,W)=€ 0\end{align*}
This fully identifies the mapping of $X$. (Nod)

The probability map is a different map that needs to be identified separately. 🤔
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
The map of the random variable $X: \Omega \to \text{Euros}$ is given by what you've already found:
\begin{align*}&X(R,R)=€ 1 \\ &X(R,W)= € 1\\ &X(W,R)=€ 0 \\ &X(W,W)=€ 0\end{align*}
This fully identifies the mapping of $X$. (Nod)

The probability map is a different map that needs to be identified separately. 🤔

Ahh ok! Thank you for the clarification! 🤩
 

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