Understanding Schrodinger's cat

In summary, the conversation discussed Schrödinger's equation and its application to particles confined in a box and the behavior of atoms. However, the participants did not understand why a superposition of states is necessary in the Schrödinger's cat experiment. They also wondered how the wave functions should be added for the cat. It was mentioned that the cat is not in a superposition of states, and the concept of entanglement was brought up. Finally, the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics and its implications on the observer and the collapse of the wave function were discussed.
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kent davidge
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(Sorry for my bad English.) I learned something about Schrodinger's equation and 2 and 3 dimensions, as well particle confined in a box and the behavior of the atoms using Schrodinger's analysis. But I don't understand why a superposition of states is necessary* in the Schrodinger's cat experiment. Also, I would like to know how the wave functions must be added for the cat. Would we add the wave functions for each atom that makes the cat one-by-one?

*Would it be necessary in order to the wave functions become more localized?
 
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kent davidge said:
But I don't understand why a superposition of states is necessary* in the Schrodinger's cat experiment.

The wave function of the cat is very complex and not the addition of the wave-functions of the atoms because its all entangled.

The cat is never in a superposition of position as a search on this forum will show - it has been discussed many times.

Thanks
Bill
 
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The Schrödinger's cat thought experiment was conceived by Erwin Schrödinger to explain the awkwardness of the Copenhagen interpretation of QM. If a QM system is in a superposition of states, what actually causes the collapse? There is obviously a collapse according to the Copenhagen interpretation because asking what slit the electron traveled through is a meaningless question. For example, in the two slit experiment the QM gives the wave interference of probabilities of finding an electron impacting a screen. The average pattern on the screen is the superimposed states interfering with one another (the wave pattern), and the individual marks on the screen are observation (collapse). The Copenhagen interpretation implies that the observer his/herself may also become entangled and become a part of the superimposed system -- since there is no clear demarcation where the system ends and the observer begins. This can cause some sort of infinite regress. So that also means the cat can be in a superposition of states, and that on its face seems absurd. This is what Schrödinger was trying to point out.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann–Wigner_interpretation

Regards,
KQ6UP
 
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bhobba Thank you.
kq6up said:
The Schrödinger's cat thought experiment was conceived by Erwin Schrödinger to explain the awkwardness of the Copenhagen interpretation of QM. If a QM system is in a superposition of states, what actually causes the collapse? There is obviously a collapse according to the Copenhagen interpretation because asking what slit the electron traveled through is a meaningless question. For example, in the two slit experiment the QM gives the wave interference of probabilities of finding an electron impacting a screen. The average pattern on the screen is the superimposed states interfering with one another (the wave pattern), and the individual marks on the screen are observation (collapse). The Copenhagen interpretation implies that the observer his/herself may also become entangled and become a part of the superimposed system -- since there is no clear demarcation where the system ends and the observer begins. This can cause some sort of infinite regress. So that also means the cat can be in a superposition of states, and that on its face seems absurd. This is what Schrödinger was trying to point out.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann–Wigner_interpretation

Regards,
KQ6UP

Thank you for your responde. I didn't know about that Copenhagen interpretation. I will look at this article soon.
 

1. What is Schrodinger's cat thought experiment?

Schrodinger's cat is a thought experiment proposed by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrodinger in 1935. It is a paradox that explores the concept of superposition in quantum mechanics, where a cat is placed in a sealed box with a device that has a 50% chance of releasing poison and killing the cat.

2. What does the experiment demonstrate?

The experiment demonstrates the concept of superposition, in which a physical system can exist in multiple states at the same time until it is observed or measured. In this case, the cat is both alive and dead until the box is opened and the cat's state is observed.

3. Is the cat actually both alive and dead?

No, the cat can only be either alive or dead when it is observed. The thought experiment is used to demonstrate the paradoxical nature of quantum mechanics and does not reflect real-life situations.

4. How does this relate to quantum mechanics?

Quantum mechanics is the branch of physics that studies the behavior of particles at the atomic and subatomic level. Schrodinger's cat thought experiment is a way to explain the principles of superposition and measurement in quantum mechanics.

5. What is the significance of Schrodinger's cat?

The thought experiment has become a popular analogy to understand the complexities and paradoxes of quantum mechanics. It also highlights the limitations of our understanding of the quantum world and the challenges of reconciling it with classical physics.

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