Understanding Spinors & Tensors in QM & Algebraic Topology

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The discussion revolves around the differences between spinors and tensors in the context of quantum mechanics (QM) and algebraic topology. Participants explore the mathematical structures involved, particularly focusing on the implications of these concepts for angular momentum in QM and their topological properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses their understanding of the differences between spinors and tensors, linking them to the concepts of simply connected and doubly connected groups in a parameterized space representing rotations.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that the discreteness of spin arises from jumps outside the parameterized space, suggesting instead that it is related to the representation of angular momentum generators as operators on a Hilbert space.
  • A later reply inquires about potential connections between Lie Algebras and Algebraic Topology, indicating an interest in further exploring this relationship.
  • Another participant notes that the connection is more accurately described as one between Algebraic Topology and Lie Group Representation Theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the nature of angular momentum in QM, but there is disagreement regarding the source of discreteness in spin and the connections between various mathematical structures. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

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Participants acknowledge varying levels of familiarity with topology, which may influence their interpretations and use of terminology. The discussion includes assumptions about the relationships between mathematical concepts that are not fully explored.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum mechanics, algebraic topology, or mathematical physics, particularly in understanding the interplay between these fields.

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I think I get the difference between spinors and tensors in the context of algebraic topology and QM but I want someone to scrutinize my understanding before I move on to another topic. I've never had a class in topology so I might be using some math terms incorrectly.

The 3D parameterized space (solid sphere) that describes rotations (let's call it r.s.) with arguments theta, sai (axis of rotation, n, in euclidean space (e.s.)), and kai ( the amount of that rotation in e.s. and the magnitude of the vector in r.s.) has doubly connected groups and simply connected groups. In r.s., the doubly connected groups arise from the fact that there is more than one way to describe rotations by an amount of pi. This non-uniqeness of some rotations equates to points on the surface of the r.s. sphere being equivalent to their polar opposite on the other side of the r.s. solid sphere.
-Simply connected groups are the more intuitive of the two groups and their paths can be shrunk to a point while not leaving the space of r.s.
-Doubly conencted groups are groups that are created by paths that exploit the non uniqness of rotations and leave the space r.s. Doubly connected groups have paths that can be shrunk to a point also but require you to travel double the path using a trick I can't describe in words.

What is the connection to Q.M. you ask? Total angular momentum which is the sum of spin and orbital angular momentum is related to the concept of r.s. because, well, simply put, anglular momentum consists of different types of rotations ( i.e. J=L+S).

My understanding starts to wain even more at this point but my intuition tells me that orbital angular momentum (tensors) is described by the group of simply connected paths in r.s. and spinor are rotations described by doubly connected paths in r.s. Also, the discreteness of spin (S) arises from the jump outside of r.s. that doubly connected groups undergo. Am I correct?
 
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nateHI said:
[...]the discreteness of spin (S) arises from the jump outside of r.s. that doubly connected groups undergo.

Since this is in the context of QM, I would have said that discreteness of angular momentum
eigenvalues arises because we're representing the generators of the angular momentum
Lie algebra as operators on a Hilbert space.
 
strangerep said:
Since this is in the context of QM, I would have said that discreteness of angular momentum
eigenvalues arises because we're representing the generators of the angular momentum
Lie algebra as operators on a Hilbert space.

OK, I agree. In that case, is there any connection between Lie Algebras and Algebraic Topology? If so, I suppose that would be my next area of interest.
 
It's rather a connection between Algebraic Topology and Lie Group Representation Theory.
 

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