Understanding [T]_gamma and Its Purpose in Linear Transformations

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The discussion revolves around understanding the matrix representation of a linear transformation T from R^2 to R^3 with respect to different bases, specifically focusing on the gamma basis. Participants explore the process of finding the associated matrix [T]_gamma and the significance of using various bases in linear transformations.

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  • One participant describes the process of finding [T]_gamma by applying the transformation to the vectors in the gamma basis and expressing the results as linear combinations of the gamma vectors.
  • Another participant clarifies that the matrix for the transformation with respect to the alpha and beta bases will have two columns, each representing the coordinates of the transformed basis vectors in the beta basis.
  • A different participant explains that to find the matrix representing a linear transformation, one must apply the transformation to each basis vector and express the results in terms of the other space's basis vectors.
  • One participant provides an example of a linear transformation and demonstrates how to derive the corresponding matrix using the usual bases for R^2 and R^3.
  • A participant mentions that the gamma basis is a separate basis defined by them, distinct from the standard canonical bases.

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There is no consensus on the necessity or role of the gamma basis, as some participants express confusion about its relevance, while others assert its importance in their specific context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation and application of the gamma basis in the transformation.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the gamma basis and its application, indicating a potential limitation in understanding how it relates to the standard bases. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the matrix representations.

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let's consider we have a linear transformation T: R^2->R^3 and alpha={ordered basis of R^2} and beta{ordered basis of R^3} and gama={v1,v2}, v1=(1,-1),v2=(2,-5). now I need to find [T]_gama(associated matrix)? When i read about it, i understood it as, first we have to find transformation of each of the vectors from gama, [T(v1) , T(v2)] and write T(v1),T(v2) as linear combination of gamma vectors. The coeff. written in column would give me [T]_gamma.

I want to know whether what i have understood is right or wrong? and moreover i want to know why we need different forms [T]_(alpha/beta/gama) ?
 
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The matrix for the transformation, with respect to the ##\alpha## and ##\beta ## bases, will have two columns, each with three elements.
The elements of the first column will be the coordinates of ##Tv_1##, in the ##\beta## basis.
The elements of the 2nd column will be the coordinates of ##Tv_2##, in the ##\beta## basis.
where ##v_1## and ##v_2## are the two vectors in the ##\alpha## basis.
I don't know what the ##\gamma## basis is that you're referring to, though. Only two bases are needed.
 
Yes, to find the matrix representing a linear transformation from one vector space to another, apply the linear transformation to each basis vector in some ordered basis, then write the result as a linear combination of basis vectors in the other space. That will give a column of the matrix representation. As for "why we need different forms", linear transformations apply to vectors while matrices apply to arrays of numbers. You need to connect one with the other and bases allow you to do that.

For example, suppose our linear transformation maps (x, y), in R^2 to (x- y, x+ y, y) in R^3. The "usual basis" for R^2 is {u1, u2}= {(1, 0), (0, 1)} and the "usual basis" for R^3 is {v1, v2, v3}= {(1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), (0, 0, 1)}. Apply the linear transformation to u1= (1, 0) gives (1- 0, 1+ 0, 0)= (1, 0, 0)= 1(1, 0, 0)+ 0(0, 1, 0)+ 0(0, 0, 1)= 1v_1+ 1v_2+ 0v3 so the first column of the matrix is \begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}. Applying it to u2= (0, 1) gives (0- 1, 0+ 1, 1)= (-1, 1, 1)= -1(1, 0, 0)+ 1(0, 1, 0)+ 1(0, 0, 1)= -1v1+ 1v2+ 1v3 so the second column is \begin{bmatrix} -1 \\ 1 \\ 1\end{bmatrix}. The matrix corresponding to the linear transformation is \begin{bmatrix} 1 & -1 \\ 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}.
You can check that \begin{bmatrix}1 & -1 \\ 1 & 1 \\ 0 & 1 \end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}x- y \\ x+ y \\ y \end{bmatrix}

Another basis for R^3 would be {(1, 1, 0), (1, -1, 0), (0, 0, 1)}, Applying the given linear transformation to (1, 0) and (0, 1) as before, we again get (1, 1, 0) and (-1, 1, 1). But now we want to find a, b, and c so that (1, 1, 0)= a(1, 1, 0)+ b(1, -1, 0)+ c(0, 0, 1). That gives the three equations a+ b= 1, a- b= 1, c= 0. Adding the first two equations 2a= 2 so a= 1 and then b= 0. (1, 0, 0)= 1(1, 1, 0)+ 0(1, -1, 0)+ 0(0, 0, 1). The first column is \begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{bmatrix}.

Applying the given linear transformation to (0, 1) we get, as before, (-1, 1, 1) and want to find a, b, and c such that (-1, 1, 1)= a(1, 1, 0)+ b(1, -1, 0)+ c(0, 0, 1). That gives the three equations a+ b= -1, a- b= 1, c= 1. Adding the first two equations 2a= 0 so a= 0 and b= -1. c= 1. The second column is \begin{bmatrix}0 \\ -1 \\ 1 \end{bmatrix}.

The matrix is \begin{bmatrix}1 & 0 \\ 0 & -1 \\ 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}.
 
Thank you so much @Hallsoflvy for your explanation.
 
@andrewkirk gamma bases are separate bases that I define other than standard canonical bases. And it has vectors that I've mentioned in the question.
 

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