Understanding "Terrible" Math Notation: A Calculus Guide

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The discussion revolves around the use of mathematical notation in calculus, particularly in the context of integrals and derivatives. Participants share experiences of being marked down for notation in assignments and seek clarification on what constitutes "proper" or "universal" notation. The conversation includes references to specific integrals and the implications of notation choices in calculus problems.

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  • One participant questions the validity of their notation in integrals, citing specific examples where they received negative feedback from an instructor.
  • Another participant suggests that the instructor may have issues with dividing by the differential, proposing an alternative notation.
  • There is a discussion about whether the integrals in question were meant to be definite or indefinite, with some participants seeking clarification on this aspect.
  • Some participants express that the notation used, such as prime notation, may not clearly indicate the variable with respect to which derivatives are taken.
  • One participant argues that the integral $$\int \frac{dx}{x}$$ is a well-known expression and questions the instructor's harsh marking.
  • A later reply suggests that the notation used in the integrals could be improved, recommending a different approach to expressing the integrals.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for being penalized for notation errors in future assessments, with participants expressing a desire for a resource on proper notation.
  • One participant mentions a specific equation related to a Bernoulli Equation and discusses their process of substitution and integration.
  • Another participant, with teaching experience, expresses that they do not see anything wrong with the notation used and advises asking the instructor for clarification.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on what constitutes proper notation. There are multiple competing views on the instructor's marking practices and the appropriateness of the notation used in calculus problems.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the instructor's specific expectations for notation, the potential for differing interpretations of notation standards, and unresolved questions about the definitions of terms used in calculus.

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Students studying calculus, educators looking for insights on notation standards, and individuals interested in the nuances of mathematical communication in academic settings.

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Is there some standardized math text with "proper universal notation" I could read for calculus?

In one of my courses, $$\int\frac{dx}{x}$$ had a red mark through it, with a note that said "impossible" or something. I earned a zero on the question due to the above. In another instance $$\int(x^{-2}v)'dx$$ had a red-mark that said it was equal to zero and said terrible. In the same question ##v'=yy'## during a substitution had a mark that just said terrible. I got two points for the question, even though the answer matched others who had gotten full credit so I'm assuming I was just marked down for notation.

What's wrong with the above? Maybe this instructor just hates prime notation...
 
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I would ask your instructor about it. It may not be notation but perhaps Something more fundamental.

In the first, your teacher may not have liked you dividing the ##dx## by ##x## and would have preferred that you wrote ##(1/x) dx## instead. It doesn't make sense to divide ##dx##as it's not a value but a kind of placeholder that indicates what variable to integrate over.

In the second, I'd say the prime In the integral means that ##f(x)' dx## integrates to ##f(x)##. If that not what you meant then you can see your teachers concern.
 
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BillhB said:
Is there some standardized math text with "proper universal notation" I could read for calculus?

In one of my courses, $$\int\frac{dx}{x}$$ had a red mark through it, with a note that said "impossible" or something.
What you show above is an indefinite integral. Was the integral that the instructor marked a definite integral?
BillhB said:
I earned a zero on the question due to the above. In another instance $$\int(x^{-2}v)'dx$$ had a red-mark that said it was equal to zero and said terrible.
Again, was the actual integral a definite integral?
BillhB said:
In the same question ##v'=yy'## during a substitution had a mark that just said terrible. I got two points for the question, even though the answer matched others who had gotten full credit so I'm assuming I was just marked down for notation.

What's wrong with the above? Maybe this instructor just hates prime notation...
What do v' and y' mean here? Prime notation doesn't show which variable the derivative is taken with respect to.
 
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jedishrfu said:
In the first, your teacher may not have liked you dividing the dx by x and would have preferred that you wrote 1/x dx instead.
I don't think this is very likely. ##\int \frac{dx}{x}## is a wellknown integral that is often written this way.
 
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Mark44 said:
What you show above is an indefinite integral. Was the integral that the instructor marked a definite integral?
Again, was the actual integral a definite integral?

No. It was just a simple separable differential equation.. $$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1}{x}$$ $$\int{dy}=\int \frac{dx}{x}$$ $$y=ln|x| + C$$

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What do v' and y' mean here? Prime notation doesn't show which variable the derivative is taken with respect to.

It was just me writing out of a substitution for a Bernoulli Equation.. $$xy\frac{dy}{dx}+x^2-y^2=0$$ $$\frac{dy}{dx}-yx^{-1}=-xy^{-1}$$ so I had ##v=y^2##, ##v'=2yy'## so I guess v' would be ##\frac{dv}{dx}## and y' is ##\frac{dy}{dx}## then I multiplied, found integrating factor, and subbed out to get to $$\int(vx^{-2})'dx=\int\frac{-2dx}{x}$$ $$vx^{-2}=-2ln|x|+C$$

Mark44 said:
I don't think this is very likely. ##\int \frac{dx}{x}## is a wellknown integral that is often written this way.

Yeah, we've wrote it that way in earlier courses, no one seemed to mind. Physics professor always puts the differential in the expression... but she's a physics teacher, and probably doesn't care as much if it is wrong. The instructor was trying to show how it was wrong in the very next class, but I didn't really follow the "proof" that well.
 
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BillhB said:
No. It was just a simple separable differential equation.. $$\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{1}{x}$$ $$\int{dy}=\int \frac{dx}{x}$$ $$y=ln|x| + C$$
I don't see anything wrong with this, speaking as a former college math teacher of 18 years. I would ask the instructor why it was marked off.
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It was just me writing out of a substitution for a Bernoulli Equation.. $$xy\frac{dy}{dx}+x^2-y^2=0$$ $$\frac{dy}{dx}-yx^{-1}=xy^{-1}$$
You have a sign error in the 2nd equation.
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so I had ##v=y^2##, ##v'=2yy'## so I guess v' would be ##\frac{dv}{dx}## and y' is ##\frac{dy}{dx}## then I multiplied, found integrating factor, and subbed out to get to $$\int(vx^{-2})'dx=\int\frac{2dx}{x}$$ $$vx^{-2}=-2ln|x|+C$$
The instructor was trying to show how it was wrong in the very next class, but I didn't really follow the "proof" that well.
 
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Mark44 said:
You have a sign error in the 2nd equation.

Whoops, fixed it.

Mark44 said:
I don't see anything wrong with this, speaking as a former college math teacher of 18 years. I would ask the instructor why it was marked off.

Okay, but he seemed adamant that it was "wrong" notation. Terrible, terrible notation, garbage notation notes give that kind of vibe. Just a bit worried, have an exam in that class soon. Most of my quiz scores are abysmal due to notation I guess. To be fair, some it's certainty because I made errors like the above, missing a sign..etc. The problems are long, so I'm working on being more careful. Was kind of hoping there was some kind of one stop shop for "proper notation."
 
What you have here -- ##\int(vx^{-2})'dx=\int\frac{2dx}{x}## isn't very good. An improvement would be ##\int d(vx^{-2})=\int\frac{2dx}{x}##

If your instructor is dinging you for ##\int \frac{dx} x##, s/he is being pedantic, IMO.
 
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Mark44 said:
What you have here -- ##\int(vx^{-2})'dx=\int\frac{2dx}{x}## isn't very good. An improvement would be ##\int d(vx^{-2})=\int\frac{2dx}{x}##

Got it.

If your instructor is dinging you for ##\int \frac{dx} x##, s/he is being pedantic, IMO.

Just worried about what other notation 'mistakes' I'm not aware of.

Thanks though, appreciate all the comments and time you've spent replying.
 
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For your first question I believe he was looking for \int \frac{dy}{dx}dx=\int \frac{dx}{x}. Writing \int dy should not be used, until you are taking a differential equations course.
 

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