Understanding the Basics of Complex Numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the understanding and representation of complex numbers, including their properties, applications, and conceptual implications. Participants explore mathematical expressions involving complex numbers, their graphical representation, and potential physical interpretations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to represent \(1^i\) and whether it involves additional dimensions.
  • Another participant asserts that \(1^i = 1\) for all complex numbers and discusses the closure of complex numbers.
  • A participant raises the question of what it means to have a cube with an imaginary length.
  • One participant suggests that \(2^i\) can be expressed as \(e^{i \ln(2)}\) and provides a series approximation.
  • Another participant speculates about the concept of an "imaginary cube" and its existence in another dimension.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about defining a cube with imaginary borders and questions the meaning of "imaginary length."
  • One participant proposes that complex numbers might have applications in nature and asks if \(\sqrt{-1}\) can be observed in any physical context.
  • Another participant mentions the application of complex numbers in models of alternating current and describes how complex exponentials represent waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the representation and implications of complex numbers, particularly regarding their physical interpretations and the concept of imaginary dimensions. No consensus is reached on the meaning of an imaginary cube or the existence of complex numbers in nature.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in understanding the implications of complex numbers, particularly in relation to physical dimensions and representations. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the nature of complex numbers and their applications.

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hey i know the basics about complex numbers

like: 5*i^7 = 5*i^3 = 5 * -i = -5i = (- pi/2, 5)

but now :

how would i represent :

-> 1 ^ i = ? = ( ? , ? ) or would it involve another mathematical dimension and be more of a (? , ? , ?) ?

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and now, how can i draw a cube of length = i

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i mean , at my school , we told me how to use i , but not how to understand it
we don't even really know why we have the graph with real numbers and pure imaginary numbers as axis ?
 
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1^i = 1. 1^x = 1 for all complex numbers x.

The complex numbers are closed, so you'll never need another unit j, say, to solve equations involving complex numbers, such as 1^i=x.

Lengths are positive real numbers. You can't have something with an imaginary length.

Putting complex numbers on a graph with real part and imaginary parts as axes is just a representation. It doesn't much mean anything. You can do it differently if you want (magnitude and angle axes, for example). It's just useful to think of them as points in the plane to help your intuition.
 
ok since 1^x= 1 , x belonging to all complex numbers
bad example

then 2 ^ i = ?
 
if a is a positive real number, tghen a^z can be defined as e^(ln(a)z) where ln(a) is the positive real natural log of a.
if a is a more complicated complex number, there is no such nice unique choice of a natural log of a, so a^z has more than one meaning.

i know iof no way to make sense of a complex length, so a cube of side lnegth i amkes no sense to me. what does it mean to you? maybe you cn think of something interesting.
 
so your second exmple 2^i equals e^(i.ln(2)), which is approximated as closekly as desired by the series for e^z.
so the first two terms are 1 + i.ln(2).
 
thx for the a^i

and for the cube, maybe a cube with imaginary borders, sides , ect = an imaginary cube : )

or maybe a cube with no lengh in our 3 main dimentions (we cannot see it), but with an existence in another dimension : )
 
JPC said:
thx for the a^i

and for the cube, maybe a cube with imaginary borders, sides , ect = an imaginary cube : )

or maybe a cube with no lengh in our 3 main dimentions (we cannot see it), but with an existence in another dimension : )
How did you get off complex numbers to geometry? I know of know way of defining "a cube with imaginary borders, sides, etc." I have no idea what you could mean by an imaginary length.
 
i didnt mean into geometry, but in existence
i admit, the idea of the cube was a bad idea, but complex numbers surely must be found somewhere in nature (or somewhere in space) ? i mean is there somewhere in space, or more precisely earth, where we see sqroot(-1) ?
 
JPC said:
i didnt mean into geometry, but in existence
i admit, the idea of the cube was a bad idea, but complex numbers surely must be found somewhere in nature (or somewhere in space) ? i mean is there somewhere in space, or more precisely earth, where we see sqroot(-1) ?

Complex numbers can be applied to models dealing with alternating current. There are probably more.
 
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can you tell me in what exactly with alternative current we find complex numbers ?
 
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eix= cos(x)+ i sin(x) so complex exponentials are routinely used to represent waves such as alternating current. Of course those Wacky engineers use j instead of i!
 

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