Understanding the Bernoulli Differential Equation

  • Thread starter Thread starter Susanne217
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Bernoulli
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the Bernoulli differential equation represented by the equation dy/dx = y/x - y^2. The original poster, Susanne, is attempting to confirm whether this equation qualifies as a Bernoulli differential equation and is seeking guidance on solving it, particularly due to discrepancies between her manual calculations and results obtained from Maple software.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the classification of the differential equation as a Bernoulli type and explore solution strategies. Susanne expresses confusion regarding her manual solution compared to the one provided by Maple, questioning her approach and the integrating factor used in her calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the equation and suggesting that Susanne revisit her integrating factor. There is acknowledgment of the differences in results between manual calculations and software outputs, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Susanne mentions using a specific textbook for reference, which may influence her approach. There is also a note about the constant of integration in the solution provided by Maple, which could be a point of confusion in her calculations.

Susanne217
Messages
311
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



This diff.eqn here.

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y}{x} - y^2[/tex]


which in my mind can be re-written to

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} -\frac{1}{x}y = -y^2[/tex]

does this mean that the above is a socalled bernoulli diff.eqn? And should solved as such? I may be dumb, but that the only way I can deduce is to solve that eqn..

So please light me up..

Sincerely
Susanne
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Sure, looks Bernoulliriffic to me. Just trust yourself, go through the solution strategy for the Bernoulli equations, and you will arrive at a result. It is always good to try things out before asking questions. Maybe you can solve that with exact differentials + integrating factor as well, but at least using solution methods a la Bernoulli works out just fine too.
 
LawlQuals said:
Sure, looks Bernoulliriffic to me. Just trust yourself, go through the solution strategy for the Bernoulli equations, and you will arrive at a result. It is always good to try things out before asking questions.


Okay thanks Lawl,

The reason I'm asking is that I get the right solution using Maple and the wrong one by hand :(

But now I know that it is a Bernoulli diff.eqn thanks :)

But why do I keep getting the wrong result by hand??:rolleyes:

Maple says to me Susanne the solution is

[tex]y(x) = \frac{2x}{x^2+2\cdotC}[/tex]

But then I use my own brain I get a totally different result. Look.

First I choose [tex]w = y^{-1}[/tex]

Why by the solution method for Bernoulli diff.eqn from my textbook( Zigs First Course in differential eqn p. 62-63).

[tex]\frac{dw}{dx}+ \frac{1}{x}w = 1[/tex]

I find the integration factor to be x^-1.

thus I get that [tex]x^{-1} \cdot w = \int(\frac{1}{x})dx = ln(x)[/tex]


and by replacing w with y^-1

I get

[tex]y(x) = \frac{1}{x\cdot ln(x)+kx}[/tex]

Which as you can see is lightyears away from what Maple says the solution. What am I doing wrong? Please point out where I in my calc are doing wrong :(
 
Last edited:
The incongruence between your work and the solution quoted by Maple stems from the integrating factor. Please examine that again. And, note that Maple has (for some reason) chosen the constant of integration in your solution to be equal to unity.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K