Understanding the Concept of Expected Value in Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the concept of expected value in quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the interpretation of operators and their relationship to values. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings and the potential confusion arising from the dual use of symbols in quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how operators, described as instructions, can yield values, particularly in cases where the operator's form seems distinct from the values they produce.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding the postulates of quantum mechanics may clarify the connection between operators and their expected values, noting that an operator acts on a state vector to produce another state vector, from which the expectation value can be derived.
  • A third participant proposes that operators are indeed instructions that manipulate wave functions to yield values, with the expected value representing an average of all possible outcomes.
  • A later reply acknowledges the agreement on the result of an operator acting on a wave function but raises concerns about the inconsistent use of symbols to represent both properties and operators within the same context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are differing views on the clarity of the relationship between operators and values, as well as the implications of symbol usage in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding due to the dual meanings of symbols and the need for a solid grasp of linear algebra and quantum mechanics postulates.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of quantum mechanics seeking to deepen their understanding of operators and expected values, as well as those grappling with the notation and conceptual framework of the field.

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Often in quantum mechanics, there appears statements of the type :

Expected value of operator = a value

I am told that operators are instructions and I do not understand how an instruction can have a value, expected or otherwise. Even in the case where the operator is of the form "muliply the argument by the value of variable x", this is not the same as the value of x per se. In other cases the incompatability is starker. Can someone please resolve this problem, preferably in words, because the explanations I have seen to date seem to make the problem disappear by making a symbol have diffeent meanings in different locations.
 
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If you already have some background in QM, I'd recommend to study the postulates of QM. There, the connection between the mathematical concepts and the physical meaning are made.

In QM, an operator A is an object which acts on a state vector |ψ>. The result of A|ψ> is again a state vector, |ψ'>. The expectation value of A in the state |ψ> is the inner product <ψ|ψ'>, so this is a number. If you have trouble with the notation, replace |ψ> by your favourite vector notation, maybe v. If you are not familiar with vectors and inner products, you should probably learn some linear algebra first.
 
I suspect that when you were told "operators are instructions", they meant that operators are instructions to do some specific thing to a wave function so that you get a value. The "expected value" of such an operator is the average of all possible values.
 
Thanks,KITH and PF MENTOR. Of course I agree that when an operator acts on something the result may have a value. But what disturbs me is the way in which a symbol is used sometimes to represent a property and at other times to represent the corresponding operator,in the same problem.
 

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