Understanding the Energy Required to Lift Walls

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The discussion revolves around understanding the energy required to lift walls, specifically focusing on the work done against gravity and the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formula for work done in lifting walls, questioning the integration of energy concepts and the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy.
  • Some participants explore how to calculate the total energy needed to lift multiple walls and how this relates to a fraction of a battery's energy capacity.
  • There are inquiries about the units of the equations presented and the assumptions made regarding kinetic energy during the lifting process.

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The conversation has progressed with participants clarifying their understanding of the equations involved and how to apply them to the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct interpretation of energy usage in relation to the battery's capacity.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the walls are lifted slowly enough to neglect kinetic energy, and there is a focus on using a fraction of the total battery energy for the task.

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Please help, I'm really struggling to understand how to work this...

work = mass * gravity * change in height

w = m*g*(h2 - h1)

Total energy = Sum of potential energy + Kinetic Energy

work = 1/2Kinetic Energy * Potential energy ^2

w = (1/2 * K) * U^2

m*g*(h2-h1)=(1/2*k)*U^2

rearanged = (2(m*g*(h2-h1))/U^2)=K

We are given

U, m, g, h2 and h1Firstly, is my above working along the right line.

Secondly, how to I show this as 80%?

Please help
 
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Thickmax said:
work = mass * gravity * change in height

w = m*g*(h2 - h1)
Keep it simple. That's the work done -- and thus the energy expended -- to lift one wall. So, how much energy is needed to lift N walls? Set that equal to 80% of the battery's energy to see how many can be lifted.

Don't worry about KE. Just assume the walls are lifted without any appreciable increase in KE.
 
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ergospherical said:
I've never seen that equation before. What are the units of both sides? :smile:

Imagine that you lift each wall so slowly that it's kinetic energy can always be taken as zero. The work done by the battery to raise a single wall is ##mg(h_2-h_1)##, as you wrote. How much work does the battery then do to raise ##N## walls; and to what fraction of the number ##U## does this correspond?
If you've never seen it before, I've probably not done it right!

W=F*Displacement

Integrated = K*potential energy

Integrated = 1/2*K*potential energy^2
 
Thickmax said:
W=F*Displacement
That makes sense. It's the definition of work.

But the following does not make sense. What are you integrating?
Thickmax said:
Integrated = K*potential energy

Integrated = 1/2*K*potential energy^2
 
Doc Al said:
Keep it simple. That's the work done -- and thus the energy expended -- to lift one wall. So, how much energy is needed to lift N walls? Set that equal to 80% of the battery's energy to see how many can be lifted.

Don't worry about KE. Just assume the walls are lifted without any appreciable increase in KE.
ok, so N(m*g*(h2 - h1))=U?

and I need to rearrange (N(m*g*(h2-h1))=U

N=U/(m*g*(h2-h1)) right?
 
Thickmax said:
ok, so N(m*g*(h2 - h1))=U?

and I need to rearrange (N(m*g*(h2-h1))=U

N=U/(m*g*(h2-h1)) right?
Almost. Don't set the energy needed equal to U. U is the total capacity of the battery -- you only want to use a fraction of that total.
 
Ok, so...

(N(m*g*(h2-h1))=4/5U

N=4/5U/(m*g*(h2-h1))
 
Now you've got it.
 
Doc Al said:
Now you've got it.
Mind blown how it makes sense now!

Thank you soo much for your help
 

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