Understanding the Equipartition Theorem for Ideal Gases

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The discussion revolves around the Equipartition Theorem as it applies to ideal gases, specifically focusing on the degrees of freedom for diatomic gases at varying temperatures. The original poster attempts to understand how to calculate internal energy and temperature based on the degrees of freedom associated with translation, rotation, and oscillation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the degrees of freedom for diatomic gases at different temperatures and how these relate to the internal energy calculations. Questions arise regarding the appropriate constants to use in the equations and the implications of using the gas constant versus the Boltzmann constant.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct constants to use in the calculations, indicating a shift in understanding regarding the application of the Equipartition Theorem. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive temperature from the equations presented, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about the values of internal energy and temperature, which may affect the calculations being discussed. There is also a mention of the need to clarify the use of different constants in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement
At what temperature does the degrees of freedom freeze (estimate)
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Hi,

I am unfortunately stuck with the following task

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I started once with the hint that at very low temperatures the diatomic ideal gas behaves like monatomic gas and has only three degrees of freedom of translation ##f=3##. If you then excite the gas by increasing the temperature, you add two degrees of freedom of rotation, ##f=5## and if you then excite the gas even further, you add two more degrees of freedom of vibration ##f=7##.

The Equipartition theorem states that the internal energy is distributed equally among the degrees of freedom. The calculation of the internal energy for the ideal gas is ##U=\frac{3}{2}RT## for the translation, ##U=\frac{5}{2}RT## for the rotation and ##U=\frac{7}{2}RT## for the oscillation.

Unfortunately, I don't know either ##U## or ##T##, but I can't think of any other way to estimate the temperature.
 
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Did you use the provided hint for each type of motion?
 
Thanks vela for your help

I would now proceed as follows

Translation:##\frac{3}{2}RT=\frac{\pi^2 \hbar^2}{2ML^2}(n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2)##

Rotation: ##\frac{5}{2}RT=\frac{\pi^2 \hbar^2}{2ML^2}(n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2)+\frac{\hbar^2l(l+1)}{2\theta}##

Oscillation: ##\frac{7}{2}RT=\frac{\pi^2 \hbar^2}{2ML^2}(n_x^2+n_y^2+n_z^2)+\frac{\hbar^2l(l+1)}{2\theta}+\hbar\omega(n+\frac{1}{2})##

Now I can solve the individual equations according to the temperature with

For translation, ##n_x^2,n_y^2,n_z^2=1##
For rotation ##n_x^2,n_y^2,n_z^2=2## and ##l=1##
During oscillation ##n_x^2,n_y^2,n_z^2=2## , ##l=1## and ##n=1##
 
The Hamiltonian is for a single particle, so you want to use the Boltzmann constant, not the gas constant.
 
Thanks vela for your help 👍

So ##\frac{3}{2}k_bT## instead of ##\frac{3}{2}RT##.
 

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