Understanding the Impact of Michelson Morley Experiment on Modern Science

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the significance and implications of the Michelson-Morley experiment, exploring its historical context, theoretical interpretations, and potential future experiments. Participants express confusion regarding the experiment's results and their compatibility with current scientific theories, particularly concerning the concept of aether and the behavior of light and matter.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Michelson-Morley experiment disproved the existence of a luminous aether, suggesting that electromagnetic waves can propagate through a vacuum.
  • Others express confusion about the experiment's results, questioning how light could have the same speed in all directions if the Earth is in motion.
  • A participant proposes that the Earth might be dragging light waves along with it, which they find paradoxical and difficult to reconcile with current theories.
  • Some argue that the experiment does not conclusively prove there is no preferred inertial reference frame (IRF), suggesting that different experimental setups would be needed to establish that claim.
  • There are mentions of the need for further experiments, particularly in space, to explore the behavior of light and aether more thoroughly.
  • One participant highlights that the experiment's design assumed matter does not behave like confined light, which they argue is incorrect, as both exhibit similar properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the implications of the Michelson-Morley experiment, with no consensus reached on its significance or the interpretation of its results. Confusion and differing interpretations about the nature of light, matter, and aether persist throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the experiment has not been conducted in space, particularly in a manner that would eliminate gravitational influences, and that assumptions about the behavior of aether and light may limit the conclusions drawn from the experiment.

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Could someone please explain to me the significance of the results of the michelson morley experiment? What is the explanation of how those results could happen and how they fit in with current theory? Has the experiment been repeated in space away from the Earth's gravity field?
 
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Here's a primer, which, handily enough, is broken down into sections which correspond to your questions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson–Morley_experiment

It broke the pre-existing notion of a luminous aether (the medium which electromagnetic waves would propagate in), and thus established the current thinking that space is mostly a vacuum and that EM waves can sustain themselves (instead of needing a medium to travel through).
 
I read that and it doesn't explain it to me.

The Earth is not the center of the universe, it is moving. The only explanation I can see is that it is dragging the light waves they used along with it for them to have an identical speed in every direction. That makes no sense to me. If EM has an inherit speed regardless of source and surroundings the movement of the Earth would have shown an effect in the experiment.

I have read every explanation of this experiment and it still doesn't make sense. Nothing I have read explains the experiments results to me, it seems paradoxical. It does not look like the experiment was done in space. I would also be interested to see the experiment done at one of the poles.
 
I don't understand, what does not make sense about it? The Earth does not drag light (well... outside of gravitational effects I guess but that isn't what I would call dragging). More to a point, the experiment helped to cement the idea that the Earth does not drag anything. If there was an (a)ether, then one of the theories was that the Earth could drag the ether. There were several ideas about the ether and the experiment was hoped to help quantify some of the ether's properties.
 
fillindablank said:
Could someone please explain to me the significance of the results of the michelson morley experiment? What is the explanation of how those results could happen and how they fit in with current theory? Has the experiment been repeated in space away from the Earth's gravity field?

The experiment proves that matter and confined light act the same way. For example, a ruler that retains its length by keeping a certain number of standing waves within, will act just like a ruler made of wood. The experiment doesn't actually prove there is no preferred inertial reference frame, as much literature claims. To do that you need two co-moving observers, and that wasn't what M-M did.
 
fillindablank said:
Nothing I have read explains the experiments results to me, it seems paradoxical.
Special relativity provides a model that is compatible with the result.
 
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Hi fillindablank! Welcome to PF! :smile:
fillindablank said:
The only explanation I can see is that it is dragging the light waves they used along with it for them to have an identical speed in every direction. That makes no sense to me.

That's exactly the point!

The only way the M-M experiment can be compatible with an absolute space is if the Earth is dragging space along with it …

since that's very unlikely (as you say, it "makes no sense"), that is fairly convincing argument against absolute space. :wink:

(of course, there have since been plenty of experiments that have confirmed Special Relativity in other ways)
 
fillindablank said:
Could someone please explain to me the significance of the results of the michelson morley experiment? What is the explanation of how those results could happen and how they fit in with current theory? Has the experiment been repeated in space away from the Earth's gravity field?


The way the Michelson Morley experiment was set up determined categorically, that, if an aether existed, then the Earth wasn't moving through it.
However, no experiments were done to discount the possibility that the aether could be moving downwards towards the Earth's centre. Also, to my knowledge, no experiments have been done in space, and by space they would need to be done in far space. I don't think it would be of any value doing them in an orbiting space station, for instance.
 
Nickelodeon said:
The way the Michelson Morley experiment was set up determined categorically, that, if an aether existed, then the Earth wasn't moving through it.
However, no experiments were done to discount the possibility that the aether could be moving downwards towards the Earth's centre. Also, to my knowledge, no experiments have been done in space, and by space they would need to be done in far space. I don't think it would be of any value doing them in an orbiting space station, for instance.

And the experiment was designed under the assumption that matter did not act like confined light--which turned out to be wrong! (Matter acts exactly like confined light. For example, you can't tell a box of light from a box of matter without opening the box). All MM proved is that matter acts like confined light. It does not prove there is no preferred IRF, as is always claimed about the experiment. You need a different experiment to prove that.
 

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