Understanding the Impact of Solar Radiation and Eccentricity on Earth's Climate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of solar radiation and Earth's eccentricity on climate, focusing on two main questions: the comparison of solar radiation received by two areas at the same latitude and the implications of Earth's eccentricity changes over the next millennium.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if two areas are at the same latitude, they will receive the same amount of solar radiation, questioning the initial assumption that there could be differences.
  • Others note that climatic variations, such as the number of sunny days, can affect the actual solar radiation received at the surface, using examples like the Gobi Desert and Waverly, Iowa.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between measuring solar radiation at the top of the atmosphere versus at the surface, suggesting that local conditions can influence the amount reaching the ground.
  • Factors such as moisture content, atmospheric particulates, and prevailing winds are mentioned as potential influences on solar radiation absorption and climate effects.
  • Regarding Earth's eccentricity, a participant questions the implications of an expected increase in eccentricity over the next 1000 years for climate, although no specific conclusions are drawn about its effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that latitude alone does not determine solar radiation received, as local climatic conditions play a significant role. However, there is no consensus on the implications of Earth's eccentricity changes or how to measure solar radiation effectively.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of solar radiation measurement, including the need to consider atmospheric conditions and the distinction between different measurement points. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the future impact of eccentricity on climate.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying climate science, solar radiation effects, and the relationship between Earth's orbital characteristics and climate changes.

QuarkDecay
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I have two questions

(1) If we have two areas, for example one in America and the other on Asia, both with the same latitude φ, which one of the areas will receive more Solar Radiation? Or will it be the same?

(2)
If Earth's eccentricity graph for the past 750k years is this
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthchanges/gallery/Climate/eccentricity_graph.gif
based on that, the eccentricity will get increased again in the next 1000 years? And what will that mean for Earth's climate?
 
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QuarkDecay said:
(1) If we have two areas, for example one in America and the other on Asia, both with the same latitude φ, which one of the areas will receive more Solar Radiation? Or will it be the same?
if both at the same latitude, it will be the same ... is there a reason you thought that it would possibly be otherwise ?
 
davenn said:
if both at the same latitude, it will be the same ... is there a reason you thought that it would possibly be otherwise ?
Barring climactic variations. e.g. the Gobi desert (~42 degrees north latitude) probably gets more sunny days per year than Waverly, Iowa (~42 degrees north latitude).
 
jbriggs444 said:
Barring climactic variations. e.g. the Gobi desert (~42 degrees north latitude) probably gets more sunny days per year than Waverly, Iowa (~42 degrees north latitude).
Solar radiation is same for both. Differences due to weather differences (rain, clouds, etc.).
 
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mathman said:
Solar radiation is same for both. Differences due to weather differences (rain, clouds, etc.).
That depends on whether you are measuring solar radiation hitting the top of the atmosphere or solar radiation hitting the soil.
 
Moisture content of the local atmosphere ...particulates ... dust , sand if the prevailing wind mostly comes from land areas .
 

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