Understanding the Meaning of (e1^e2)\cdote3 in Geometric Algebra

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the expression (e1^e2)·e3 in the context of geometric algebra, focusing on its geometric meaning and implications. Participants explore the relationship between outer and inner products and their geometric interpretations.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the meaning of (e1^e2)·e3, identifying it as an outer product multiplied by an inner product.
  • Another participant claims it represents the volume of the parallelepiped formed by the vectors e1, e2, and e3.
  • A later reply challenges this claim, stating that the volume would involve all outer products and clarifying that (e1^e2) is a bivector, leading to a different geometric interpretation when combined with a vector.
  • The same participant explains that the inner product of a vector with a bivector involves projecting the vector onto the plane defined by the bivector, rotating it, and dilating by the magnitude of the bivector.
  • They also note a relationship between the geometric algebra expression and the double cross product in three dimensions, suggesting that the geometric algebra version is more intuitive.
  • Another participant acknowledges the detailed explanation and agrees that the initial claim about volume was incorrect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the expression, with some asserting it relates to volume while others argue for a more nuanced understanding involving bivectors and projections. No consensus is reached on the correct interpretation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of interpreting geometric algebra expressions and the dependence on definitions of outer and inner products. There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the geometric context.

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What is the meaning of (e1^e2)\cdote3?

(outer product multiplied by inner product)
 
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The volume of the parallelepiped formed by those vectors.
 
Thank you.

Jake
 
No, this is just wrong! The volume of the parallelepiped would be all outer products, e_1 \wedge e_2 \wedge e_3.

(e_1 \wedge e_2) is a bivector. So you're asking: what is the inner product of a vector with a bivector? That has a clear geometrical interpretation. For a vector a and bivector B, a \cdot B does the following:

  1. Project a onto the plane defined by B
  2. Rotate 90 degrees in the "sense" of B
  3. Dilate by the magnitude of B

Note that this uses all three defining characteristics of the bivector B:
  • Attitude (basically the angle the plane makes in space)
  • Orientation (clockwise vs. counterclockwise)
  • Magnitude (i.e. area)

With the inner product used by Hestenes et al, you also have
a \cdot B = - B \cdot a
which let's you answer your question.

By the way, in 3D, your construction is equivalent to the "double cross product" (not the "vector triple product"):
<br /> (e_1 \wedge e_2) \cdot e_3 = - (e_1 \times e_2) \times e_3<br />
Note how the GA version (described above) is much more intuitive and easy to visualize -- the VA version (double cross product) will give you carpal tunnel from all those applications of the right-hand rule!
 
Thanks chogg for your details answer; I later noticed indeed that his answer is wrong.
GAViewer also demonstrates this very nicely.
 

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