Understanding the Relationship Between Electromagnetic Fields and Waves

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between electromagnetic fields and waves, focusing on concepts such as near and far fields, inductive coupling, and the behavior of AC and DC currents in wires. Participants explore theoretical aspects and practical implications of these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the generation of a magnetic field perpendicular to the direction of current flow in a wire and notes that AC current causes this magnetic field to alternate continuously.
  • Another participant explains the distinction between near and far fields, indicating that the near field is characterized by strong effects from individual poles, while the far field involves cancellation of effects from opposite poles.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the terms near field and far field, suggesting that inductive coupling relies on the magnetic field influencing electrons in a secondary coil.
  • There is a mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the terminology for the phenomenon where a wave induces an alternating current in a wire, with references to the "Maxwell Effect" and "Tesla Effect."
  • Another participant discusses the behavior of electric and magnetic fields in DC and AC currents, noting that an AC current can lead to radiation of energy similar to a transmitter antenna when at high frequencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of electromagnetic fields and waves, but there are uncertainties regarding terminology and specific effects, indicating that multiple views and some confusion remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of near and far fields, as well as the specific effects related to wave-induced currents in wires. Additionally, the discussion includes varying interpretations of the effects of AC and DC currents.

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Hello,
I'm confused about the whole electromagnet thing. So far I've got these concepts:
- Passing a current through a wire results in a magnetic field 90 degress to the direction of flow

- If the current is AC, the magnetic field is continuously alternating

- This magnetic field is considered to be a near field and can be used to perform inductive coupling

- In addition, this AC current causes the wire to radiate electromagnetic waves (radio frequency light). This is part of the far field

- If we alternate at the natural resonance frequency of a wire or coil, we set up standing waves in the transmitter

- And so the receiver needs only to be designed with the same resonance frequency, and an incoming electromagnetic wave of the correct frequency will cause resonance and standing waves in the receiver

Now my questions are:
* Is that all correct?
* What is the difference between a near field magnetic field and far field electromagnetic waves?
 
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Yes, you pretty much have it, in general.

The near field is close to the radiator such that the effect of an individual pole is strong, and this field falls off with the radius squared. The far field is some distance from the radiator such that the effects of opposite poles begin to cancel and the net field falls with the cube of the radius. There is no single, well-defined distance at which the near field gives way to the far field; it's a continuum.
 
I think it's clicked. Forget the labels near field and far field, I'm getting them mixed I think.

Inductive Coupling depends on the magnetic field shifting electrons in the secondary coil.

I guess that receiving radio waves is a completely separate thing? What is the name for the effect in which a wave causes an alternating current in a wire? The Maxwell Effect? Or perhaps the Tesla Effect?
 
For a dc current in the wire, tere is a small electric field along the wire due to the resistance in the wire. If there is no resistance, there is no voltage drop in the wire and no electric field. The magnetic field from the current surrounds the wire (in circles). It is only azimuthal (no radial component). If you have an ac current, you will have an ac magnetic field. If the ac frequency is many megahertz, the wire will start radiating energy, like a transmitter antenna.
 

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