Understanding the Relationship Between Exterior and Cross Products

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The discussion clarifies the relationship between the exterior product and the cross product of vectors in R^3. It establishes that the wedge product, denoted as \(\mathbf{a} \wedge \mathbf{b}\), results in a bivector, which is fundamentally different from the cross product \(\mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b}\). However, the magnitude of the exterior product is equivalent to the magnitude of the cross product, specifically \(\|\mathbf{a} \times \mathbf{b}\|\). The Hodge dual operation is highlighted as a method to relate the exterior product to the cross product.

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  • Understanding of vector operations in R^3
  • Familiarity with the concepts of bivectors and exterior products
  • Knowledge of the Hodge dual operation in Euclidean spaces
  • Basic grasp of determinants and their role in vector mathematics
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  • Explore the definition and applications of bivectors in geometry
  • Learn about the determinant form of the exterior product
  • Investigate the relationship between the wedge product and the cross product in various dimensions
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I have a question about the exterior product. Is it true that

\mathbf{a}\wedge\mathbf{b}=|| \mathbf{a}\times \mathbf{b}||

If not, how does one relate the exterior product to the cross product?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Presumably, you mean that a and b are vectors in R^3. Wedge product of vectors would be a bivector, so it couldn't possibly be equal to the left hand side.

If you take a wedge b and then the Hodge dual of that with respect to the Euclidean metric, you get the cross product.

Crash course in Hodge duals for this case:

Let e1, e2, e3 be a basis for R^3.

The Hodge dual of e1^ e2 can be written like (e1^e2)* and it will be e3.

And similarly, we have (e2^e3)* = e1 and (e3^e1)* = e2.

Then you can extend by linearity to the vector-space of all bivectors. You can see that this gives you the cross product.
 
homeomorphic said:
Presumably, you mean that a and b are vectors in R^3. Wedge product of vectors would be a bivector, so it couldn't possibly be equal to the left hand side.

If you take a wedge b and then the Hodge dual of that with respect to the Euclidean metric, you get the cross product.

Crash course in Hodge duals for this case:

Let e1, e2, e3 be a basis for R^3.

The Hodge dual of e1^ e2 can be written like (e1^e2)* and it will be e3.

And similarly, we have (e2^e3)* = e1 and (e3^e1)* = e2.

Then you can extend by linearity to the vector-space of all bivectors. You can see that this gives you the cross product.

Thanks.

I think I was confused by the picture in Wikipedia which makes it seem like the exterior product is the area of the parallelogram. This time, I noticed that there were 2 arrows around it, making it a bivector. So am I right to say that the magnitude of the exterior product is the same as the magnitude of the cross product whereas the exterior product itself is not the same as the magnitude?

Thanks.
 
dimension10 said:
I have a question about the exterior product. Is it true that

\mathbf{a}\wedge\mathbf{b}=|| \mathbf{a}\times \mathbf{b}||

If not, how does one relate the exterior product to the cross product?

Thanks in advance.

Hey dimension10.

Are you familiar with the determinant form of the exterior product?
 
chiro said:
Hey dimension10.

Are you familiar with the determinant form of the exterior product?

The alternating exterior product?
 
dimension10 said:
The alternating exterior product?

Just before I give an answer, I just want to be clear: is the wedge product and the exterior product the same thing? (I was under the impression it was).
 
chiro said:
Just before I give an answer, I just want to be clear: is the wedge product and the exterior product the same thing? (I was under the impression it was).

I think they are.
 
dimension10 said:
I think they are.

In that case just use the definition of the wedge product (for R3 given two initial vectors) and the cross product and then use the property of norms (i.e. expand out the terms) to show they are equal.
 

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