What is the cross product of two vectors?

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The discussion revolves around the cross product of two vectors, exploring its properties, definitions, and applications within the context of vector mathematics. Participants examine the geometric interpretation, notation, and implications of the cross product in three-dimensional space and beyond.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that the cross product results in a vector that is orthogonal to the original vectors, with a magnitude defined by |a|*|b|*sinΘ.
  • One participant notes that the cross product can be interpreted as the area of a parallelogram formed by the two vectors.
  • There is a discussion about the correct notation for expressing the cross product, with some participants suggesting that the vector notation should include a normal vector.
  • Another participant introduces a definition of the cross product based on determinants, emphasizing its linearity and geometric interpretation.
  • Some participants express concerns about the notation used in earlier posts, suggesting it may lead to confusion.
  • A later reply mentions the connection between the vector product and antisymmetric tensors, proposing a more abstract view of the cross product.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the notation and definitions related to the cross product. While some explanations are accepted, there is no consensus on the best way to represent the cross product or its properties, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the discussion is primarily focused on three-dimensional space, while also acknowledging that the concepts can extend to higher dimensions in linear and abstract algebra.

  • #31
etotheipi said:
@Mark44 I think what @wrobel is saying, is that the cross product of two vectors is not itself a vector, because it does not transform like a vector. To get the right transformation properties (i.e. to turn it into a vector) you also need to multiply by the determinant of the transformation matrix. But before you do that it's still just a tensor density.
Here's what wikipedia has to say (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_product#:~:text=In mathematics, the cross product or vector product,is denoted by the symbol {displaystyle%20times%20}:
Given two linearly independent vectors a and b, the cross product, a × b (read "a cross b"), is a vector that is perpendicular to both a and b, and thus normal to the plane containing them.
Cross products are typically introduced in intro physics courses and in precalculus mathematics courses -- and there is not usually any mention of tensors.
 
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  • #32
I mean, I prefer to think of the cross product as a pseudovector, but I guess it’s probably not helpful for OP.

I think the most succinct explanation of the cross product at this level probably comes from the volume formula, as others have said. Namely, that the “signed volume” ##V(\mathbf{a,b,c})## of a parallelepiped with sides ##\mathbf{a,b,c}## is linear in each of its arguments, and that ##\mathbf{a\times b}## is the unique (pseudo)vector such that ##V(\mathbf{a,b,c})=(\mathbf{a\times b})\cdot\mathbf{c}.## While most of us know from linear algebra that in any given basis such a vector exists, it can be verified in Cartesian coordinates.
 
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  • #33
suremarc said:
I mean, I prefer to think of the cross product as a pseudovector, but I guess it’s probably not helpful for OP.
I agree. Several posts that are well beyond B-level have been removed. Since the OP has not returned since his initial post, I'm closing this thread. If he/she has additional questions that haven't been addressed in this thread, I will reopen it.
 
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