Understanding the Science Behind the Candle Under Drinking Glass Experiment

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The discussion revolves around the candle under drinking glass experiment, exploring the scientific principles behind the observed phenomenon of water rising in the glass after the candle is extinguished. Participants examine the combustion of the candle, the role of gases produced, and the effects of temperature and pressure changes in the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the experiment and questions the traditional explanation that burning oxygen reduces air volume, leading to water rising.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial explanation but suggests that the change in candle volume is negligible and emphasizes the role of water condensation and CO2 solubility in water.
  • A different viewpoint proposes that the initial hot air trapped inside the glass contributes to the water rising as it cools after the candle goes out.
  • One participant suggests testing the effect of hovering the glass over the candle before placing it down to see if it influences the water level further.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the mechanisms at play, with no consensus on the primary cause of the water rising. Multiple competing views remain regarding the contributions of gas volume changes, condensation, and temperature effects.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the combustion process and the behavior of gases under changing temperatures and pressures are not fully explored, leaving room for further investigation.

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To amaze and entertain my 8 year old I did the candle under the drinking glass experiment.

I took a bowl of water, put a lit candle in the middle and placed a glass over the top. Sure enough, the water rose up the candle went out. For him it was an unexpected and wonderful result What made the water go up?! I was very happy to see the amazement in his face. :bugeye: Wonderful!

However, I told him knowingly--and knowing I had no idea what I was talking about, "The candle burned the oxygen in the air, so there was less air, and so the water had to rise up because now there's less air under the glass." Its what I was told when I was about his age --but now I question this patent answer.

What's the real story? I'm burning wax, which is fairly close to (CH2)n, and combining it with oxygen in the air.

2CH2 + 3O2 → 2CO2 + 2H2O

For every three molecules of oxygen, we get 4 molecules of gas. But the water level rose. Now I know, that air has about 21% oxygen and the water rose to reduce the initial volume by about 10 to 15%. To be sure, I'd have to try it again for better numbers. It's a bit warmer inside the glass then when the experiment started so the vapor is a bit less dense So what really happened?
 
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To amaze and entertain my 8 year old I did the candle under the drinking glass experiment.

I took a bowl of water, put a lit candle in the middle and placed a glass over the top. Sure enough, the water rose up the candle went out. For him it was an unexpected and wonderful result What made the water go up?! I was very happy to see the amazement in his face. :bugeye: Wonderful!

However, I told him knowingly--and knowing I had no idea what I was talking about, "The candle burned the oxygen in the air, so there was less air, and so the water had to rise up because now there's less air under the glass." Its what I was told when I was about his age --but now I question it.

What's the real story? I'm burning wax, which is fairly close to (CH2)n, and combining it with oxygen in the air.

2CH2 + 3O2 → 2CO2 + 2H2O

For every three molecules of oxygen I get 4 molecules of gas. But the water level rose. Now I know, that air has abou 21% oxygen and the water rose to reduce the initial volume by about 10 to 15%. To be sure I'd have to try it again. It's a bit warmer inside the glass then when the the experiment started, so what actually happened?

The volume of the candle decreased slightly and the steam condensed to water.As the air cooled the pressure dropped.
 
Change in the candle volume is neglectable if you ask me. Other than that I mostly agree with Dadface. There are two products of the combustion - water and carbon dioxide. Water condenses, CO2 is well soluble in water. But my bet is that change in water level is mostly because when you cover the candle you trap hot (expanded) air, which gets colder after candle stops to burn, sucking water up.
 
Well, when the glass is first placed over the candle, there's not a great deal of hot air inside. It should be a contributing factor though. It could be tested though. Hovering the glass over the candle for a while could cause the water to rise higher in the glass.
 

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