Understanding the Symmetry of SU(N) Subgroups in Srednicki's Notation

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The discussion focuses on the decomposition of tensor products in the context of SU(N) groups, specifically analyzing the symmetric and antisymmetric representations. The participants explore the notation used by Srednicki, particularly the significance of the indices in the context of SU(2) and SU(3) subgroups. Key equations include the transformation of N under SU(2) and the resulting tensor products, leading to confusion regarding the symmetry of terms derived from Young Tableaux. The main conclusion is that understanding Srednicki's notation and the application of Young Tableaux is crucial for resolving the discrepancies in representation counting.

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  • Understanding of SU(N) group theory
  • Familiarity with tensor products in representation theory
  • Knowledge of Young Tableaux and their application in symmetry analysis
  • Proficiency in Srednicki's notation for quantum field theory
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Homework Statement



(a) For SU(N), we have:
N ⊗ N = A_A + S_S
where A corresponds to a field with two antisymetric fundamental SU(N) in- dices φij = −φji, and S corresponds to a field with two symmetric fundamental SU(N) indices φij = φji. By considering an SU(2) subgroup of SU(N), compute T(A) and T(S).

Homework Equations



Under the SU(2) subgroup, N transforms as:

[2 ⊕ (N − 2)1S] ⊗ [2 ⊕ (N − 2)1s] = A + S.

The Attempt at a Solution



Distributing, we get, among other terms, 2 ⊗ (N − 2)1S ⊕ 2 ⊗ (N − 2)1S. It's then just a matter of separating the symmetric and anti-symmetric terms.

What I don't understand is why one of these 2 ⊗ (N − 2)1S terms is symmetric and the otherone is anti-symmetric. They seem identical to me... I think part of the problem is I don't understand Srednicki's notation 1s (sometimes 1's) -- does this just mean the singlet is symmetrical?

I understand Young Tableaux, but not sure how to use them here, the only diagram I can work out is adjoint, and therefore neither symmetrical nor anti-symmetrical.

This is the only difficulty, if we can figure out this, I know how to solve the problem from there...

Thanks!
 
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To phrase the question a different way, consider

4 x 4 = 10_S + 6_A.

Now if we consider the SU(3) subgroup, we have:

(3 + 1) * (3 + 1) = 3 * 3 + 3 * 1 + 1 * 3 + 1 * 1

Now clearly 1 * 1 = 1 and 3 * 3 = 6 + 3_A. So we have:

10 + 6_A = 6 + 3_A + 1 +3 * 1 + 1 * 3.

which gives:

3 + 3_A = 3 * 1 + 1 * 3

But how can this be? Whenever I do young Tableaux, I get that 3 * 1 = 1 and 1 * 3 = 3 + 2_S, which sum to 4 + 2_S ??
 
To phrase the question a different way, consider

4 x 4 = 10_S + 6_A.

Now if we consider the SU(3) subgroup, we have:

(3 + 1) * (3 + 1) = 3 * 3 + 3 * 1 + 1 * 3 + 1 * 1

Now clearly 1 * 1 = 1 and 3 * 3 = 6 + 3_A. So we have:

10 + 6_A = 6 + 3_A + 1 +3 * 1 + 1 * 3.

which gives:

3 + 3_A = 3 * 1 + 1 * 3

But how can this be? Whenever I do young Tableaux, I get that 3 * 1 = 1 and 1 * 3 = 3 + 2_S, which sum to 4 + 2_S ??
 

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