Understanding the Thermal Average of Operators in Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around understanding the thermal average of operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the transition between different forms of operator expressions and the implications of quantum states represented by quantum numbers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a specific equation from a text and expresses confusion about the transition to a thermal average involving operators.
  • Another participant provides a formula for the thermal average and suggests using the identity operator to relate it to spectral density, indicating a common technique in quantum mechanics.
  • The original poster acknowledges the response and indicates they can proceed with the problem.
  • The original poster seeks clarification on the interpretation of quantum numbers in relation to many-particle and single-particle states as mentioned in the text.
  • Questions are raised about whether the quantum number set can refer to both many-particle states and single-particle states.

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The discussion includes some agreement on the techniques used in calculating thermal averages, but there is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of quantum numbers and their relation to different types of quantum states.

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Participants have not resolved the specific interpretations of quantum numbers and their implications for many-particle versus single-particle states, leaving these points open for further discussion.

Niles
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Hi

Please take a look at equation 8.60 in the following link: http://books.google.com/books?id=v5...last equality follows from the fermi"&f=false

My problem is that I cannot see how they go from second last line to \left\langle {c_\nu ^\dag c_\nu } \right\rangle + \left\langle {c_\nu c_\nu ^\dag } \right\rangle. It has something to do with the thermal average of operators (see here equation 1.118, e.g.: http://books.google.com/books?id=v5...epage&q="likewise the thermal average&f=false). I would appreciate a hint very much.


Niles.
 
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First off all, you know that the thermal average is given by:
\langle c c^\dag\rangle = \frac{1}{Z}\sum_n \langle n|c c^\dag\rangle e^{-\beta n}

You can link to this the expression for the spectral density by insterting the identity operator:

\mathbf{1} = \sum_{n'}|n'\rangle\langle n'|

This is a common trick, so it's good to be familiar with it:

\langle c c^\dag\rangle =\frac{1}{Z}\sum_{n,n'} \langle n|c| n'\rangle\langle n'| c^\dag\rangle e^{-\beta n}

Can you solve it from there?
 
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Yeah, I believe I can take it from here. Thanks for replying so fast.

Best wishes,
Niles.
 
Just for clarification: When the authors e.g. write something like (eq. 8.61 in http://books.google.com/books?id=v5...last equality follows from the fermi"&f=false) the Greens function G(v, ω), then the v is a set of quantum numbers. By v, is it correct that we are referring to e.g. the many-particle state given by

<br /> \left| { \uparrow \,\, \downarrow } \right\rangle <br />

where (in this specific case) spin up and spin down denote single particle states?

Is it furthermore correct that v can also denote just a single particle state like

<br /> \left| { \uparrow } \right\rangle <br />

?


Niles.
 

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