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The discussion revolves around the use of the trace theorem in calculating the S-Matrix within quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore the mathematical justification for using traces to simplify matrix expressions, particularly in the context of inner products of spinors and the completeness relation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests clarification on the trace theorem and its application in S-Matrix calculations, recalling a previous encounter with an equation related to this topic.
  • Another participant explains that the trace theorem is commonly found in QFT literature, specifically citing Griffiths' work, and describes how inner products of spinors relate to traces.
  • A third participant elaborates on the complexity of indices in QFT, emphasizing the importance of correctly identifying spinor indices and the implications for inner products of spinors.
  • This participant also discusses the necessity of averaging over spins and the use of the completeness relation to simplify calculations, leading to a specific matrix form that can be used in reaction computations.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the inner product of spinors, with a distinction made between different orientations of the inner product and their implications for trace calculations.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their previous understanding of the inner product, indicating a collaborative effort to refine the discussion.
  • A final participant expresses appreciation for the explanations provided, indicating that the discussion has been helpful.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of the trace theorem in simplifying S-Matrix calculations, but there are nuances in understanding the inner products of spinors and the implications of different indices. Some disagreements exist regarding the correct orientation of inner products and their representations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of QFT calculations, particularly regarding the treatment of spinor indices and the need for careful consideration of inner products. There are unresolved aspects related to the specific forms of gamma matrices and spinor bases that participants mention but do not fully clarify.

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Hi guys,


Everyone knows that one can calculate the S-Matrix with various tricks. One of them is to use traces to simplify the matrices.
Can someone tell me or point me to a place where I can find an explanation why I can do this?
I think I vaguely remember that I have seen once an equation showing why traces can be used, but I can't recall that source (book? lecture notes? websites?)

Thanks
 
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beta3 said:
Hi guys,Everyone knows that one can calculate the S-Matrix with various tricks. One of them is to use traces to simplify the matrices.
Can someone tell me or point me to a place where I can find an explanation why I can do this?
I think I vaguely remember that I have seen once an equation showing why traces can be used, but I can't recall that source (book? lecture notes? websites?)

Thanks

You can find the trace theorem explained in most QFT books, for instance
in Griffiths chapter 7.7.

Now how does the Trace come in? First you manipulate the expression
until u and {\bar u} get back-to-back. This is an inner product:

u{\bar u}

Then you replace it with the completeness matrix:

<br /> \sum_{k\ =1,2} u^{(s)}{\bar u}^{(s)}\ =\ (\gamma^\mu p_\mu + mc)<br />

This is a 4x4 matrix while you need the inner product: u_0{\bar u_0}+u_1{\bar u_1}+u_2{\bar u_2}+u_3{\bar u_3}

Now, the inner product is the sum of the diagonal elements, and thus: The trace.<br /> u{\bar u}\ =\ \mbox{Tr}(\ \gamma^\mu p_\mu + mc\ )<br />Regards, Hans
 
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It's important to remember just how many different labels and indices various entities in QFT actually having, a great deal of them are supressed and it's easy to forget or get confused between them.

In a slight elaboration of Hans' explanation, remember that spinors have a spinor index. \mathbf{u} is a spinor with all terms supressed on it. It's a function of momentum, \mathbf{u}(p), it's got spin (which for usual fermions are s = +-1/2) so \mathbf{u}^{s}(p) and then there's the spinor index, which you can think of as the entry in the vector expression for the spinor, \mathbf{u}_{\alpha}^{s}(p).

An inner product of spinors is \bar{\mathbf{u}}\mathbf{u} (Hans has that the wrong way around), which when you put in all the various indices you have \bar{\mathbf{u}}_{\alpha}^{r}(p)\mathbf{u}_{\beta}^{s}(q).

You how have an expression which is the inner product of two spinors of different spin (s,r labels), spinor polarisations (\alpha, \beta) and momentum (p,q).

You'll get an equalisation of momentum, so p=q always.

Summing over spins and averaging means you can make use of the completeness relation Hans mentions, getting rid of spin complications and giving you

\sum_{s= \pm \frac{1}{2}} \bar{\mathbf{u}}_{\alpha}^{s}(p)\mathbf{u}_{\beta}^{s}(p) = p_{\mu}(\gamma^{\mu})_{\alpha \beta} + m \mathbb{I}_{\alpha \beta}

From this formate you are able to compute specific reactions which have to take into account polarisation. This would involving saying what polarisation your incoming and outgoing particles are (ie giving values from 0 to 3 to alpha and beta in a specific choice of basis for your spinors and gamma matrices) and then working with the relevant entries within the matrix equation I just gave.

This is annoying for two reasons. Firstly, many experiments don't care about polarisation so unless it's desperately needed, it's more work than required. If you're only just learning QFT, it's certainly more work than required. Secondly, you have to pick a representation for your gamma matrices and the spinor basis, that meaning you have to give a specific form of your gamma matrices.

If instead you're only interested in averages and your expriments are blind to polarisation you just sum over them all so \alpha = \beta, but for any matrix M_{\alpha \beta} the quantity M_{\alpha \alpha} is the trace. This has the useful property that you don't need to pick a specific form for your spinors and your matrices, you get all the information you need from the gamma's anticommutation relation \{ \gamma^{\mu} , \gamma^{\nu} \} = g^{\mu \nu}. Taking the trace of that immediately gives \textrm{Tr}(\gamma^{\mu} \gamma^{\nu}) = 4g^{\mu\nu} and others follow from that and the anticommuting \gamma^{5} matrix.
 
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AlphaNumeric said:
An inner product of spinors is \bar{\mathbf{u}}\mathbf{u}

Just a small remark:

There is the inner product which gives the Lorentz scalar 2m:

\bar{\mathbf{u}}\mathbf{u} = 2m

and then there is the inner product the other way round:

\mathbf{u}\bar{\mathbf{u}}

Which, being less sloppy, I should write as the sum of two inner products:

\mathbf{u^\uparrow}\bar{\mathbf{u}}^\uparrow +<br /> \mathbf{u^\downarrow}\bar{\mathbf{u}}^\downarrow\ = <br /> \mbox{Tr}(\ \gamma^\mu p_\mu + mc\ )

which gives us the Trace.Regards, Hans
 
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^ Too true, my mistake, should have remembered that. Thinking too much about inner products giving scalars and not anything else. Sorry about that.
 
Wow, thanks for the neat explanation, AlphaNumeric and Hans
 

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