Understanding the Trefoil Knot and Its Function on a Torus

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The discussion focuses on the mathematical properties of the trefoil knot and its relationship with functions defined on a torus. Specifically, it establishes that for the function y=(p/q)x to represent a trefoil knot, the integers p and q must be relatively prime (i.e., (p,q)=1). This condition ensures that the function describes the correct number of rotations around the torus, as any common factors would cancel out, leading to a different geometric representation. The conversation also touches on the implications of using non-relatively prime integers, such as in the case of a (2,2) curve.

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  • Understanding of basic algebraic functions
  • Familiarity with toroidal geometry
  • Knowledge of relative primality in number theory
  • Introductory concepts in algebraic topology
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  • Explore the implications of relative primality in mathematical functions
  • Investigate Van Kampen's theorem in the context of algebraic topology
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So in the process of giving us a crude definition of a trefoil knot, our professor talks a bit about a function on a torus.

If we view the torus as the identification of sides of a square, and define a function y=(p/q)x, then we may only go from the bottom left corner (0,0) to the top right corner (1,1) (I guess forming a knot) if (p,q)=1. Two questions...

1) Isn't any function y=(m/n)x the same as a function y=(p/q)x with (p,q)=1?

2) Is there a simple way to understand why the (p,q) must be 1, or is it something not so trivial?
 
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I should mention, my algebra and algebraic topology isn't great. I've studied a good bit of a semester of introductory undergraduate group theory, but not much else. The treatment of knots in my topology class is purely as an example of Van Kampen's theorem and not as a topic in and of itself, so I know very little about them.
 
sammycaps said:
1) Isn't any function y=(m/n)x the same as a function y=(p/q)x with (p,q)=1?
yes.
2) Is there a simple way to understand why the (p,q) must be 1, or is it something not so trivial?
it's just that if p and q are relatively prime then they tell you the actual number of rotations around the torus. p/q is just the slope of a straight line on the flat torus. Any common factors cancel out.
 
lavinia said:
yes.

it's just that if p and q are relatively prime then they tell you the actual number of rotations around the torus. p/q is just the slope of a straight line on the flat torus. Any common factors cancel out.

So if we take p and q not relatively prime rotations around the torus, what happens?
 
sammycaps said:
So if we take p and q not relatively prime rotations around the torus, what happens?

try the case of a (2,2) curve. You can draw a picture on a rectangle with opposite edges identified.
 

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