Understanding Zwiebach's Problem 12.8: Case Analysis of m,n>0 and m≠n

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The discussion revolves around Zwiebach's Problem 12.8, specifically focusing on the case where m, n > 0 and m ≠ n. Participants are trying to understand the reasoning behind this specific case selection in the context of reparameterizations generated by Virasoro operators.

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  • Participants are questioning the necessity of focusing solely on the case where m, n > 0 and m ≠ n. There is also a discussion about the differences in problem wording across editions of the text, leading to confusion about the indices involved.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem's wording and intent, with some participants suggesting that the original problem may have been misinterpreted. Clarifications about the nature of the generators and their relationship to the Virasoro algebra are being discussed, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note discrepancies between different editions of the textbook, which may affect their understanding of the problem. There is mention of the need to consider cases where m = n, although it is suggested that this may not be critical to the main inquiry.

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Homework Statement


Why does Zwiebach say the we only look at the case where m,n>0 and m not equal to n in this problem?


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ehrenfest said:

Homework Statement


Why does Zwiebach say the we only look at the case where m,n>0 and m not equal to n in this problem?


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The Attempt at a Solution


Are you sure it's problem 12.8??
 
Yes. Look at the attachment when it is approved.
 
ehrenfest said:
Yes. Look at the attachment when it is approved.

then it's a different edition than my books (the problem is called Reparametrizations generated by Virasoro operators in my book and there is no mention of m or n indices)
 
That is what it is called in my edition also. The m and n indices arise when you verify that the generators form a Virasoro algebra. They are not in the problem but they are in the attached solution.
 
The attachment was approved.
 
His wording in the problem is slightly off. He asks:

Show that the generators of these reparameterizations form a subalgebra of the VIrasoro algebra.

Well, that is as trivial a problem as you could want since all the operators L_m - L_{-m} are in the Virasoro algebra. What he obviously means is:

Show that the generators of these reparameterizations form a proper subalgebra of the VIrasoro algebra.

The set
[tex]\{L_m^{\perp} - L_{-m}^{\perp}: m = 1, 2, 3, ...\}[/tex]
is not the subalgebra, it is a generating set. The subalgebra he is interested in is the smallest algebra that contains this set. He wants to show that it excludes something, anything, in V, the Virasoro algebra. He can do this in two steps. First show that the product of any two generators is in the vector space span of the generators. Then show that there is a Virasoro operator that is not in the span. To do this, there is no need to use the larger generating set
[tex]\{L_m^{\perp} - L_{-m}^{\perp}: m = 0, \pm 1, \pm 2, \pm 3, ...\}[/tex]
because the generated algebra is exactly the same. He does need to cover the case m = n, but it is quite trivial, I suppose he forgot to mention it.
 
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