Underwater breathing apparatus?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and considerations of creating a breathing apparatus for small submarines or manned underwater vehicles that can function effectively at varying depths. Participants explore different methods and technologies related to underwater breathing systems.

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  • One participant suggests that making the sides of the submarine rigid could help address depth-related breathing issues.
  • Another participant notes that submarines are pressurized to 1 ATA regardless of depth, indicating that depth restrictions are primarily structural.
  • A proposal for liquid breathing is mentioned, highlighting its limited use in current applications.
  • A historical reference to Jacques Cousteau's design of the Aqua-Lung is made, emphasizing the importance of the pressure regulator's position relative to the lungs for safe breathing.
  • Concerns are raised about the dangers of improper handling of breathing systems under pressure, with personal anecdotes shared about serious risks like arterial gas embolism and pulmonary barotrauma.

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Participants express varying views on the best approaches to underwater breathing systems, with no consensus reached on a single solution. There are shared concerns about safety and the technical challenges involved, but differing opinions on specific methods and technologies.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the design and operational limits of submarines and breathing apparatuses that may not be fully articulated. The conversation also reflects a mix of theoretical and practical considerations without resolving the complexities involved.

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How to make changing depths irrelevant for breathing in a small submarine or other manned underwater vehicle; in terms of the under breathing apparatus or system ?
 
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RICKYtan said:
How to make changing depths irrelevant for breathing in a small submarine or other manned underwater vehicle; in terms of the under breathing apparatus or system ?
Make the sides of the submarine rigid, like pretty much all submarines. :smile:
 
Not sure what your'e asking, but subs are pressurized to 1 ATA, regardless of their depth. Their depth restrictions are structural.
 
RICKYtan said:
How to make changing depths irrelevant for breathing in a small submarine or other manned underwater vehicle; in terms of the under breathing apparatus or system ?
Good description of the problem you have without a rigid sub...

http://www.bishopmuseum.org/research/treks/palautz97/phys.html
 
Jacques Cousteau who developed the Aqua-Lung,
figured out his pressure regulator needed to be adjacent his chest so that regardless if he were upside down or right side up or level , the regulator is at the same depth as the lungs. When it's not it makes air at the wrong pressure for breathing.

27 inches of water is a psi of pressure.
2 psi is enough to distend your lungs 10% and kill you, look up 'Pulmonary Barotrauma and Scuba Diving'. It can happen is a swimming pool.

So if this is something you're building at home go out and get some scuba training.

I read all of Cousteau's early books in the 1950's when i was in grade school. If underwater is your hobby you might enjoy them as history written by a pioneer in the field..
 
Will second that. I've seen an arterial gas embolism in a 6 ft swimming pool. If you want to tinker with breathing compressed gas under pressure, know what youre doing.
 
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DS2C said:
Will second that. I've seen an arterial gas embolism in a 6 ft swimming pool.
Yes.
When kids duct-tape dad's paint sprayer to a garden hose and jump in the pool tragedy has just got a dual invitation - electrocution.and burst lung sacs

If you have kids don't let them do that.

I did it and was lucky but at every chest X-ray they ask me " Why are your lungs all scarred up? Were you a coal miner years ago? "
It's a very real danger.

old jim
 
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