Undetermined Coefficients of Difference Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the method of undetermined coefficients for solving difference equations, specifically focusing on the recurrence relation y_{n+1} - 2y_{n} = 2. Participants are exploring the process of finding particular solutions and clarifying the steps involved in solving the equation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, kathrynag, expresses confusion about the method of undetermined coefficients and suggests a guess for the particular solution as A.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the homogeneous solution proposed by kathrynag, stating that C(-1)^{n} is not a solution for the homogeneous equation.
  • There is a suggestion to start with a polynomial of the lowest possible degree for the particular solution, specifically starting with zero.
  • Kathrynag attempts to derive the particular solution using a polynomial and expresses difficulty in the algebraic manipulation required to equate coefficients.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the steps taken to derive the polynomial, with a participant asking where the term A(n+1) originated from in kathrynag's calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to finding the particular solution, and there is ongoing confusion and clarification regarding the steps involved in the method of undetermined coefficients.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the algebraic steps and the choice of particular solutions, indicating potential missing assumptions or misunderstandings in the application of the method.

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I am working on a section on undetermined coefficients of a difference. I'm really trying to understand the material, but am struggling.
y_{n+1}-2y_{n}=2
I got as far as saying for the homogenous equation y=c_{1}(-1)^{n}.
I'm assuming the guess next would be A, but I'm confused.
Maybe if someone could help me with some examples on how to do this using the 2 or something like 2^n or cos(n). I'm trying to learn something something new on my own and it's hard.
 
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Hi kathrynag! :smile:

Do you mean yn+1 - 2yn = 2 ? :confused:

If so, the homogenous equation for this recurrence relation is yn+1 - 2yn = 0, and C(-1)n is not a solution, is it?

For the particular solution, try a polynomial of lowest possible degree (start with zero!)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi kathrynag! :smile:

Do you mean yn+1 - 2yn = 2 ? :confused:

If so, the homogenous equation for this recurrence relation is yn+1 - 2yn = 0, and C(-1)n is not a solution, is it?

For the particular solution, try a polynomial of lowest possible degree (start with zero!)

Yeah that's what i meant. I tried letting the polynomial =A.
Then A(n+1)+A=2
An+2A=2
This is where I get stuck.
Now if I had a number like n^2 on the end polynomial would be An^2+Bn+C
An^2(n+1)+Cn(n+1)+Cn+C+An^2+Bn+C=n^2
An^3+n^2(2A+C)+n(2C+B)+(2C)=n^2
I guess I get stuck at the end each time. Say I had cosn. Then polynomial would be Acosn+Bsinn.
Acos(n+1)+Bsin(n+1)+Acosn+Bsin(n)=cosn

Maybe I'm doing something wrong somewhere.
 
Hi kathrynag! :smile:
kathrynag said:
Yeah that's what i meant. I tried letting the polynomial =A.
Then A(n+1)+A=2
An+2A=2 …

Now you're mystifying me …

where did A(n+1) come from? :confused:

If the polynomial is A, then yn+1 - 2yn is -A …

carry on from there. :smile:
 

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