Unified or Fractured? Universe Info Transmission Speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of information transmission in the universe, questioning whether the universe operates on a unified information framework or if it is fundamentally fragmented. Participants explore implications of information propagation limits, particularly in relation to events like solar flares, and the philosophical considerations surrounding these ideas.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a belief in a foundational level of information unification in the universe, suggesting that fragmentation and temporal delays may not be inherent to existence.
  • Another participant argues that current understanding supports complete causal separation between events outside each other's light cones, asserting that beliefs in absolute connectedness are philosophical rather than scientific unless contradicted by observations.
  • A participant reflects on the implications of limited information propagation, proposing that events like solar flares could create regions of the universe that are effectively isolated from each other due to blocked information transmission.
  • There is confusion among participants regarding the concept of "Information Unification," with some noting a lack of resources or clarity on the topic.
  • One participant corrects a previous statement about light cones, suggesting the term 'null cones' is more appropriate and emphasizes that the blockage of information by objects like Earth does not reflect the causal structure of spacetime.
  • A suggestion is made to explore philosophical approaches, such as "many fingered time," to better understand the nature of the universe's information structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, with some supporting the idea of limited information propagation while others challenge the notion of fragmentation and propose alternative philosophical perspectives. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of information transmission in the universe.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the concepts discussed, particularly regarding the definitions of information unification and the implications of causal structures in spacetime.

JUrban
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For some reason I find it hard to comprehend that at the natural base level of existence (whatever that means), that the information-scape (all the stuff that is happening throughout space) is totally fragmented from each other, except of course for the "slow" transmission of information to neighbors via electromagnetic radiation and other info transmission modes. My gut just tells me that there has to be, at some foundational level, information unification of all these parts of the universe, with no fragmenting temporal delays. Thoughts? What say you, unified or fractured?
 
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Everything we know as of now is consistent with complete causal separation between events not in each other's light cones. Even quantum entanglement is not realized until there is an event in the future light cones of both entangled measurements. Any beliefs beyond this (e.g. an unknowable absolute connectedness or simultaneity) are philosophy, not science unless some observation inconsistent with conventional special relativity occurs.
 
JUrban said:
... information unification of all these parts of the universe, with no fragmenting temporal delays. Thoughts?

:confused: I Googled Information Unification, my only thought about the post is confusion.
 
Thanks PAllen. That's what I suspected, that based on our observations, the universe works purely on a system of limited information propagation. So I guess if say there was a brief solar flare, there would be a region of the universe, that extends out behind say the Earth at that general time to infinity, that is essentially in a totally separate parallel universe to that solar event, being that the Earth blocked that information transmission (mostly in the form of radiation and energetic particles). Strange thought.
 
nitsuj said:
:confused: I Googled Information Unification, my only thought about the post is confusion.

Hehe, I'm guessing your Google search didn't find much, being that such unification apparently doesn't exist.
 
JUrban said:
Hehe, I'm guessing your Google search didn't find much, being that such unification apparently doesn't exist.

lol nope, just business IT solutions :smile:
 
JUrban said:
Thanks PAllen. That's what I suspected, that based on our observations, the universe works purely on a system of limited information propagation. So I guess if say there was a brief solar flare, there would be a region of the universe, that extends out behind say the Earth at that general time to infinity, that is essentially in a totally separate parallel universe to that solar event, being that the Earth blocked that information transmission (mostly in the form of radiation and energetic particles). Strange thought.

Not quite. I should really say 'null cones' rather than light cones. They are a structure of spacetime. Blockage by Earth is not a feature of causal structure. For one thing, neutrinos go right through the earth.

You can google "many fingered time" for one of several philosophic approaches dealing with the apparent nature of the universe.
 

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