Uniform plank problem: Center of gravity, equilibrium, and torque

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a uniform plank of length 4.7 m and weight 207 N, which is supported at two points with part of it overhanging. The question is about determining how far a person weighing 454 N can walk on the overhanging section before the plank tips. The discussion centers around concepts of torque, equilibrium, and the center of gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of torque equations and the conditions for tipping. There is confusion regarding the correct angles to use in the torque calculations and how to apply the concept of torque to the problem. Some participants question the use of specific angles and the interpretation of forces acting on the plank.

Discussion Status

The discussion has seen participants attempting to set up equations for torque and questioning their understanding of the concepts involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of torque and the assumption of the weight's location, which has helped clarify the problem for at least one participant.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the equations and concepts related to torque, and there is mention of the homework being assigned over a break, contributing to the confusion. The original poster indicates feeling lost and needing a foundational understanding of torque.

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Homework Statement


A uniform plank of length 4.7 m and weight 207 N rests horizontally on two supports, with 1.1 m of the plank hanging over the right support (see the drawing). To what distance x can a person who weighs 454 N walk on the overhanging part of the plank before it just begins to tip?
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Homework Equations


tnet=0
Fnet=0
t=(radius)(F sin \theta)

I'm not exactly sure if there are any other equations, or even if these are the right equations- I'm just so confused. I assumed that "radius" in the torque equation was equal to "x" in the drawing, and that the force was the weight of the man.

The Attempt at a Solution



t1=(r)(F sin \theta1)
r=t1/454 sin 90

t2=(r)(F sin \theta2)
r=t2/454 sin 91
(I did this trying to figure out the torque that would cause the board to start to tip.)
Set the equations equal to one another:

t1/ 454 (sin 90) = t2/ 454 (sin 91)
t1/ 454 = t2/ 454 (sin 91)
454*(sin 91)*t1 = 454*t2

I hit a dead end here. I'm so lost. Please help.
 
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hi pintsize131! happy new year, and welcome to pf! :smile:

why are you using 91°? :confused:

hint: the plank will tip if the net torque about the right-hand support is clockwise :wink:
 
Happy new year to you too!

I honestly have no idea what I am doing. My teacher assigned this homework over break, and told us to teach ourselves, so I need a crash course in torque.

I have no idea what that means. Literally, I'm clueless.
 
ok, torque simply means what you already know … Fdsinθ

(except in this case sinθ is so obviously zero that you needn't even mention it, just use Fd)

so just add the Fd for all the forces (measuring d from the pivot point, in this case the right support) …

what do you get? :smile:
 
I get stuck almost immediately.

The torque for the weight of the board:
t=Fd
t=(Weight force?) (1.1 m)
I don't know how to find the weight for just that section of the board.
Am I even supposed to find that?
 
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pintsize131 said:
I don't know how to find the weight for just that section of the board.

you're allowed to assume that the weight of the whole board is at its centre of mass :wink:
 
thanks! That helped! I got the question right. :)
 
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