Unit sphere is compact in 1-norm

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The discussion revolves around the compactness of the unit sphere in the 1-norm within the context of norm equivalence in ##\mathbb{R}^n##. Participants explore the application of Heine-Borel theorem and the properties of closed and bounded sets in relation to different norms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how to show the unit sphere in the 1-norm is compact without assuming norm equivalence.
  • Another participant describes the unit sphere in the 1-norm and asserts it is closed and bounded, thus compact by Heine-Borel, but notes this is relative to the standard 2-norm.
  • A participant questions the reasoning behind the closed and bounded nature of the set in relation to the 2-norm, suggesting that the 1-norm was primarily used in the argument.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of boundedness in metric spaces and how it applies to the unit ball in the 1-norm.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of the bicontinuity of the identity map and its relation to the compactness of the unit sphere.
  • Another participant suggests that checking the continuity of the identity map in both directions might be a quicker approach than proving compactness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of proving compactness versus directly checking the continuity of the identity map. There is no consensus on the best approach to demonstrate the compactness of the unit sphere in the 1-norm.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of closed and bounded sets, as well as the assumptions regarding the norms being equivalent. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in proving compactness.

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How do I go about showing the unit sphere is compact in the ##1##-norm without using the fact that norms on ##\mathbb R^n## are equivalent?
In Introduction to Topology by Gamelin and Greene, I'm working an exercise to show the equivalence of norms in ##\mathbb R^n##. This exercise succeeds another exercise where various equivalent formulations of "equivalent norms" have been given, e.g. that two norms ##\|\cdot\|_a,\|\cdot\|_b## are equivalent iff the identity map from ##(\mathbb R^n,\|\cdot\|_a)## to ##(\mathbb R^n,\|\cdot\|_b)## is bicontinuous.

Now, in showing that all norms in ##\mathbb R^n## are equivalent, the authors show a given norm ##\|\cdot\|## is equivalent to the ##1##-norm (and then by transitivity, we have equivalence for all norms, since equivalent norms is an equivalence relation). I have already managed to understand that the identity is continuous from ##(\mathbb R^n,\|\cdot\|_1)## to ##(\mathbb R^n,\|\cdot\|)##. To show that the inverse of the identity map is continuous, the authors claim that the unit sphere in the ##1##-norm is compact. I'm getting hung up on this statement, since I don't know how to go about this without using that the norms are equivalent already. How would one show the unit sphere in the ##1##-norm is compact?

I know of Heine-Borel, but I'm not sure how and if it applies here. Any help would be very appreciated.
 
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The unit sphere in the 1-norm is the set of points ##(x_1,\ldots,x_n)\in\mathbb{R}^n## satisfying ##|x_1|+\ldots+|x_n|=1.##

This set is bounded since ##|x_i|\leq 1## for each ##i##. It is also closed, because the map ##f:\mathbb{R}^n\to\mathbb{R}, f(x_1,\ldots,x_n)=|x_1|+\ldots+|x_n|## is continuous, and your set is the preimage of the closed set ##\{1\}.##

So, by Heine-Borel, it is compact. In the above, closed and bounded are relative to the standard (2-) norm.

It's also not hard to just directly verify that the identity map from ##\mathbb{R}^n## with the 2-norm to ##\mathbb{R}^n## with the 1-norm is continuous.
 
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Infrared said:
So, by Heine-Borel, it is compact. In the above, closed and bounded are relative to the standard (2-) norm.
Thank you. May I ask, in what sense are closed and bounded relative to the ##2##-norm? I feel like you only used the ##1##-norm in showing that the set is closed and bounded.

So you showed the set is compact in the ##2##-norm, and since the identity map is bicontinuous between the ##1##-norm and ##2##-norm, it preserves this compact set, is that right?
 
psie said:
Thank you. May I ask, in what sense are closed and bounded relative to the -norm? I feel like you only used the -norm in showing that the set is closed and bounded.

In a metric space ##(X,d)##, a set ##E\subseteq X## is bounded if there is a constant ##C## such that ##d(x,y)\leq C## for all ##x,y\in E.## In this case ##E## is the unit ball in the ##1## norm and ##X=\mathbb{R}^n## and ##d## is the usual metric on ##\mathbb{R}^n## (induced by the 2-norm).

So you're just trying to find a constant ##C## such that if ##x=(x_1,\ldots,x_n)## and ##y=(y_1,\ldots,y_n)## satisfy ##|x_1|+\ldots+|x_n|=1## and ##|y_1|+\ldots+|y_n|=1## then the distance from ##x## to ##y## in the usual (2-norm) sense is at most ##C.## You should work this out yourself, it's quick once you get your definitions clear.

Similarly, the map ##(x_1,\ldots,x_n)\mapsto |x_1|+\ldots+ |x_n|## is continuous in the standard sense (as is ##\{1\}## being closed). Saying that this map is continuous means the same thing as when you took multivariable calculus.


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So you showed the set is compact in the ##2##-norm, and since the identity map is bicontinuous between the ##1##-norm and ##2##-norm, it preserves this compact set, is that right?
I think you got the implication backwards- I thought showing that the identity is bicontinuous was the goal. Checking that the unit ball in the 1-norm is compact is presumably a step in your book's proof (though I don't have your book on hand). Though, it's pretty quick to directly check that the identity map is continuous in both directions without this.
 
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