Universal Propeties in Category Theory .... Leinster Lemma 0.7 ....

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The discussion revolves around understanding the proof of Lemma 0.7 from Tom Leinster's "Basic Category Theory," particularly focusing on the concept of universal properties in category theory and their implications for uniqueness in mathematical structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter questions whether the proof of Lemma 0.7 assumes the uniqueness of the object b, which he feels is central to the argument being made.
  • One participant argues that the universal property of b and b' implies a uniqueness property that can be used to demonstrate that T and T' are isomorphic.
  • Another participant elaborates on the universal property associated with the structures (T, b) and (T', b'), detailing the existence of unique maps related to bilinear maps and vector spaces.
  • There are suggestions to refer to other texts, such as Bland and Simmons, for additional examples of universal properties to aid understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the proof assumes the uniqueness of b. While some believe the uniqueness is inherent in the universal property, others, like Peter, remain uncertain about this assumption.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of universal properties and their implications in category theory, with participants referencing specific examples and texts to clarify their points. There is an acknowledgment of the need for careful study of the lemma and its implications.

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I am reading Tom Leinster's book: "Basic Category Theory" and am focused on Chapter 1: Introduction where Leinster explains the basic idea of universal properties ...

I need help in order to fully understand the proof of Lemma 0.7 ...

Lemma 0.7 and its proof read as follows:View attachment 8333In the above proof by Leinster we read the following:

" ... ... So by the uniqueness part of the universal property of b ... ... "My question is ... isn't this assuming what we are trying to prove ... that is that b is essentially unique ...Help will be appreciated ...

Peter
 
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No, it is given that b and b' have a universal property that means that they have some kind of uniqueness property, using that, you can prove that T and T' are isomorphic.
 
In this example, you could say that $(T,b)$ has the following universal property:

For every vector space $W$ and every bilinear map $f:U \times V \Longrightarrow T$ there is a unique $\bar{f}:T \Longrightarrow W$ such that $\bar{f} \circ b=f$

So in Lemma 0.7: $(T,b)$ has this universal property
For the vector space $T'$ and the bilinear map $b':U \times V \Longrightarrow T'$, there is a unique map ...

Conversely, $(T',b')$ has also this universal property
For the vector space $T$ and the bilinear map $b:U \times V \Longrightarrow T$, there is a unique map ...

Make a lot of diagrams, see the book.

In the end, you will see that $T \cong T'$

Another Edit
In the book of Bland, in chapter 2.1, you saw the universal property of direct products and direct sums. You can read it and see if you can recognize the universal properties. In Simmons you will see universal properties in chapter 2.5 and others. It is very important
 
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steenis said:
In this example, you could say that $(T,b)$ has the following universal property:

For every vector space $W$ and every bilinear map $f:U \times V \Longrightarrow T$ there is a unique $\bar{f}:T \Longrightarrow W$ such that $\bar{f} \circ b=f$

So in Lemma 0.7: $(T,b)$ has this universal property
For the vector space $T'$ and the bilinear map $b':U \times V \Longrightarrow T'$, there is a unique map ...

Conversely, $(T',b')$ has also this universal property
For the vector space $T$ and the bilinear map $b:U \times V \Longrightarrow T$, there is a unique map ...

Make a lot of diagrams, see the book.

In the end, you will see that $T \cong T'$

Another Edit
In the book of Bland, in chapter 2.1, you saw the universal property of direct products and direct sums. You can read it and see if you can recognize the universal properties. In Simmons you will see universal properties in chapter 2.5 and others. It is very important

Thanks for a most helpful post Steenis ...

Appreciate your help ...

Will study the example/lemma more carefully ...

Peter
 

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