Medical Universal Virus? - mononucleosis, chronic fatigue, multiple sclerosis....

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The discussion centers on the connection between chronic fatigue syndrome, gut bacteria, and the Epstein-Barr virus (EBV). It highlights that EBV is commonly associated with various conditions, including Multiple Sclerosis (MS), due to molecular mimicry where the immune system mistakenly targets nerve cells. While gut bacteria are currently a hot topic in research, they are only one of many potential causes of chronic fatigue, alongside factors like COVID-19 and vitamin deficiencies. The presence of anti-EBV antibodies is noted to be less than 80% in the population, indicating that not everyone is affected in the same way. Additionally, EBV is linked to certain lymphomas and leukemia, emphasizing its significance in broader health discussions. The conversation reflects on the complexities of these conditions and the need for further research into their underlying mechanisms.
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[edit] forget about chronic fatigue, I remembered it has been tracked to gut bacteria!
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Epstein-Barr virus seems to be associated with many conditions. "Associated" is the operative there because almost everyone is a host for Epstein-Barr.

Science News has a somewhat long but quite readable article with some details connecting Epstein-Barr to Multiple Sclerosis.

It turns out that a viral protein is almost the same as a protein on myelin sheath on nerves and brain cells, and in some people, the immune system confuses the nerves for the virus.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/multiple-sclerosis-epstein-barr-virus-vaccines-treatments

Research paper:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17531840/#:~:text=Molecular mimicry occurs when peptides,one specific virus to MS.
 
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This was really exciting when it came out. EBV has already been known to reduce autophagy and impair certain phagocytes in vitro and that's correlated with reduction of mitochondrial biogenesis. And it's also established that abnormalities in mitochondrial transport can be seen in MS patients. It'd be really cool for more to be done regarding mitochondrial pathways and comparing MS failure to that of the virus...
 
Tom.G said:
[edit] forget about chronic fatigue, I remembered it has been tracked to gut bacteria!
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Nope.
Gut bacterial flora
a) currently is among the sexiest science (I'd gusstimate place 2 after SARS-Cov-2. So almost everything with multiple possible causes is currently blamed on that, and
b) it's only one thing that might cause chronic fatigue syndrome. Others are CoViD-19, vitamin deficits, medications,...

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[...] because almost everyone is a host for Epstein-Barr.
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Nope again.
Anti-EBV-anitibodies (AntiEBV IgG) are found only in <80% of the population.

Lastly, EBV is the cause of some / certain lymphoma (might also be leukemia, learned that long ago). If you insist, I'll supply a source, but you can search PubMed on your own, it's publicly accesible, and you shoud find it on your own, it's open access. Look for Review articles.
 
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Nope.
Gut bacterial flora
a) currently is among the sexiest science (I'd gusstimate place 2 after SARS-Cov-2. So almost everything with multiple possible causes is currently blamed on that, and
b) it's only one thing that might cause chronic fatigue syndrome. Others are CoViD-19, vitamin deficits, medications,...Nope again.
Anti-EBV-anitibodies (AntiEBV IgG) are found only in <80% of the population.

Lastly, EBV is the cause of some / certain lymphoma (might also be leukemia, learned that long ago). If you insist, I'll supply a source, but you can search PubMed on your own, it's publicly accesible, and you shoud find it on your own, it's open access. Look for Review articles.
Lost a colleague/good guy to Lymphoma.
Diabetes type 1, problems in his 30s, kidney transplant early 40s, lymphoma and dead at 46.
I do not actually know for certain, not the thing you talk about at the funeral.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28089555/
 
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