Universe Expansion: Understanding the Concept

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of universe expansion, exploring how it affects the movement of stars and galaxies, the nature of space and coordinates, and the implications of gravitational forces. Participants seek clarification on the mechanics of expansion and its relationship to gravity, as well as the conceptual understanding of density and volume in an expanding universe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the universe's expansion as akin to a graph being stretched, questioning whether stars and galaxies move in sync with this expansion.
  • Another participant introduces the balloon analogy, clarifying that while the space between points (coordinates) expands, the coordinates themselves do not change, and individual stars and galaxies maintain their normal velocities.
  • There is a mention that expansion is countered by gravitational forces, particularly in gravitationally bound regions like galaxy clusters.
  • A participant raises a question about how galaxies move, suggesting it may be due to the momentum of each other's gravity.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the implications of expansion on volume and density, questioning the reason behind the universe's expansion and whether it could be harnessed in some way.
  • Several participants provide resources and links to FAQs and tutorials for further reading on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the mechanics of expansion and its implications. There is no consensus on the nature of movement in an expanding universe or the relationship between expansion and gravitational forces.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of distinguishing between volume and density in the context of expansion, indicating potential misunderstandings about these concepts. The discussion reflects a range of knowledge levels and assumptions about the nature of cosmic expansion.

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Hey i am new to the forum but i have done some studying and I am trying to wrap my head around something but I am not sure if I am quite getting it i was hoping if someone could direct me to some reading or books, and so here it is, i was recently explained to that as the universe is expanding everything in it expands with it like a graph being stretched but for example the stars are on the points in the graph now, but does that mean that the stars and galaxies don't move beyond these points but i know that's not true is it? or is it moving in sync with the points on the graph, or am i just looking at this the wrong way?
 
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Abscissas said:
Hey i am new to the forum but i have done some studying and I am trying to wrap my head around something but I am not sure if I am quite getting it i was hoping if someone could direct me to some reading or books, and so here it is, i was recently explained to that as the universe is expanding everything in it expands with it like a graph being stretched but for example the stars are on the points in the graph now, but does that mean that the stars and galaxies don't move beyond these points but i know that's not true is it? or is it moving in sync with the points on the graph, or am i just looking at this the wrong way?

Perhaps this will help:

www.phinds.com/balloonanalogy
 
Phinds balloon analogy is a good one.
On the descriptive you gave above. I would like to clarify you graph analogy. Think of those points on the graph as coordinates. The coordinates do not change. The space between coordinates expand evenly in all directions. Expansion does not provide inertia or motion to those coordinates Individual stars and galaxies maintain their normal velocities. That graph example only represents expansion which has nothing to do with inertia.
One other note expansion is easily overpowered by gravity. Such as galaxy clusters. So we usually state that expansion does not occur in gravitationally bound regions.
 
Thank you for your response and the great read so let's say the pennies are expanding on the surface of the balloon they don't change mass or velocity am i correct? but now this leads me to ask how do the galaxies move? is it from the momentum of each others gravity?
 
Mordred said:
The coordinates do not change. The space between coordinates expand evenly in all directions.
This is where i become less read but I am going to try to use common sense, if the universe is expanding then the volume in it must be decreasing unless new matter is being created.Is there a particular reason why the universe is expanding? at this point i feel like i can find the answer somewhere in the forums, rendering this post useless i suppose my question is why is the universe expanding and would there be a way to ride the expansion sort of like an ocean wave or to accelerate it?
 
FAQs is a good place to start.
The FAQ subforum has some good articles.

Also this site has a decent tutorial as well

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmo_01.htm

In your questions above switch
volume with density. The link I provided along with the PF FAQ subforum will provide those answers.
 
Thank you
 
Thank you man your a very helpful person it is greatly appreciated
 

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