Unlock More Power: Liquid Oxygen Injection

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential benefits and drawbacks of using liquid oxygen injection in drag racing engines compared to the more common practice of injecting nitrous oxide (N2O) alongside fuel. Participants explore the implications for performance, combustion efficiency, and practical considerations in engine design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that injecting liquid oxygen with more fuel could increase power, seeking input on this idea.
  • Another participant explains that while complete combustion of fuel in oxygen is constant, excess oxygen or fuel can lead to suboptimal performance due to incomplete combustion.
  • It is noted that using nitrous oxide as an oxidant provides additional energy from its decomposition, enhancing performance and allowing for more fuel use without exceeding cylinder capacity.
  • Concerns are raised about the impracticality of storing liquid oxygen compared to nitrous oxide, citing differences in boiling points and vapor pressures.
  • One participant mentions that the cold nitrous oxide condenses air, increasing density and allowing for more oxygen in the cylinder, while also releasing energy upon decomposition during combustion.
  • Another participant clarifies that nitrous oxide can oxidize fuel directly, indicating multiple reactions occur during combustion.
  • There are warnings that using pure oxygen could lead to explosive conditions in the intake manifold due to its high reactivity.
  • Further comments suggest that liquid oxygen could potentially cause catastrophic failures in the engine, such as blowing the head off the motor.
  • A participant references a link to a product related to oxygen injection, implying potential dangers associated with its use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and safety of using liquid oxygen versus nitrous oxide, with no consensus reached on the best approach. Concerns about the reactivity and storage of oxygen are shared, but opinions on the effectiveness and practicality of each method vary.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the thermodynamic implications of combustion processes and the practical challenges of using liquid oxygen, highlighting limitations related to storage and safety without resolving these issues.

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Instead of drag racers injecting nitrous oxide and extra fuel with it .
Why don’t they just inject liquid oxygen with more fuel . for more power ,
Any input will be much appreciated.
 
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So, the amount of energy available from complete combustion of a given amount of fuel in oxygen is constant. You can't do better than complete combustion, so having too much oxygen means less than optimal performance. Likewise, having too much fuel (for a given cylinder size) means more incomplete combustion, and also less than optimal performance.

Now if you use N2O as your oxidant instead, you get even more energy, since you're essentially getting the original energy plus the energy from the decomposition of N2O into nitrogen and oxygen. So using nitrous as an oxidant increases performance in itself, as well as increasing the amount of oxidant/volume in your inflow and allowing you to use more fuel for a given cylinder size.

Now your question seems to be: Why not add pure oxygen and more fuel instead? Well, that would work, but you'd only get the latter benefit.

It's also impractical. Oxygen can't be stored efficiently. Oxygen has a boiling point of -182C, nitrous oxide −88C, and oxygen has a much higher vapor pressure. I.e. in practice, oxygen canisters contain compressed oxygen, whereas nitrous oxide canisters contain liquid nitrous, and thus store much much more gas per volume.

So not only does nitrous oxide give you more energy than adding O2, it's also a lot more practical to do so.
 
ok thanks for your answer , And when they inject N20 the cold nitrous condenses the air and makes it more dense so it can pack more oxygen into the cylinder , and then when the fuel burns and it gets hot enough the nitrous will decompose giving off more energy.
 
Well, strictly speaking I don't think the nitrous only decomposes, it can oxidize the fuel directly as well, so there's a whole bunch of reactions going on.

But thermodynamically you can simply calculate the total energy as the sum of N2O decomposition and the oxygen-fuel combustion energy. Conservation of energy is convenient that way.
 
Pure oxygen would cause the fuel air mix to explode in the intake manifold. Too reactive.
 
ya i think someone else told me liquid oxygen would blow the head off the motor.
 
Where the oxygen comes into the intake manifold it would become an http://www.thermolance.com/Thermolance_Oxygen_Lance/thermolance_oxygen_lance.htm" BAD JU JU!
 
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