Unlock the Mystery of Kinetic Energy Transfer with Magnets!

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The discussion revolves around the transfer of kinetic energy through a series of magnets and marbles, exploring how kinetic energy is built up as marbles interact with magnets. Participants seek to understand the mechanics of this energy transfer and the resulting kinetic energy at each stage of the process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a setup involving magnets and marbles, questioning how kinetic energy is transferred and accumulated as marbles collide with each other and magnets.
  • Another participant suggests considering momentum instead of kinetic energy, explaining how momentum is transferred through the magnets and marbles, and noting that some energy is lost in the process.
  • There is a discussion about whether the kinetic energy of the marbles increases as they move through the system, with questions about how the energy builds up and whether the total kinetic energy can be simply summed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether to focus on kinetic energy or momentum, and there is no consensus on how the energy transfer occurs or how to calculate the resulting kinetic energy at each stage.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of magnets and the mechanics of energy transfer are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical aspects of the energy transfer process.

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Check this site address out: http://scitoys/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/gauss.html

It is a neat little science project site, and I found this project the most interesting (except for the non-elecricity requiring radio) on their site. How it tells you it works(shortened): You take a ruler and place 4 cubed magnets and place 2 metal marbles in between each and only 1 at the ends. Then you let go of the first one and it rolls toward the magnet w/ a kinetic energy of 1. Then the KE is transferred through the magnet to the second ball with a KE of 1, and then that ball hits the 3rd one with a KE of 1. By the time they hit the second magnet they have a kinetic energy of 2 and it keeps on building up until the last one is hit and the marble goes flying across the room from trmendous amounts of KE.

What I want to know is (in more detail) how the KE is carried and what the resulting amount of kinetic energy is by the time it hits the last marble. Please help me work out the math. I think I understand how when the 2nd ball hits the third with a kinetic energy of 1 it transfers it to the 3rd ball. But do they both then move toward the 2nd magnet with the power of 2 KE since their sum of their KE equals two? Or is that no correct? Would it be 1 instead? And if so then how does it build up the KE? Help please.
 
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Any one?
 
Originally posted by Cyberice
Any one?

Okay, First off, I'd think it it be easier to think of it in terms of momentum than KE, but to each his own.

When you let go of the first marble (A), it is pulled towards the first magnet (1), accelerating as it does so.

On the other side of magnet 1 are two marbles(B&C). The momentum of marble A is transferred through magnet 1 and marble B to marble C. This is enough to break the magnetic grip magnet 1 has on C and still have some momentum left over.

(Marble C will not have quite the same KE as A at this point because some of it was used to break away from magnet 1 . One purpose of marble B is the increase the distance between marble C and magnet 1 and reduce the amount of energy needed for this. )

Marble C is attracted to magnet 2 so it accelerates towards it. (this is the other purpose of marble B, so that marble C starts out far enough away from magnet 1 such that it gains more momentum falling towards magnet 2 than it loses pulling away from magnet 1 )

Marble C will strike magnet 2 with the combined momentum that it got from Marble A plus the momentum gained by acceleration due to its attraction to magnet 2. It tranfers this momentum to marble E through magnet 2 and marble D, Which in turn gains additonal momentum by accelerating towards magnet 3 , etc.

In such a way, each marble in the sequence has more than the previous unitl you get to the last marble.
 
Thank you for explaining that.:smile:
 

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