Unraveling the Connection Between Gravity and Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle

[FZ+]

Sariaht, please do not reduce this to a swearing contest. If you are unable to modify your attitude, this thread will be locked.

The most important point to realize is that the equation you used is an extremely specialised equation for situations where "surface area" is defined in extremely specialised terms. You cannot throw it out randomly, without any theoretical justification. The equation you used has simply no physical significance in almost all cases. The special circumstance of a black hole is not due to its mass, but its great density, which makes the determination of the normal idea of surface area impossible. In a "singularity" model of a black hole, the standard surface area value is 0.

 

[Sariaht]

Originally posted by FZ+
Sariaht, please do not reduce this to a swearing contest. If you are unable to modify your attitude, this thread will be locked.

The most important point to realize is that the equation you used is an extremely specialised equation for situations where "surface area" is defined in extremely specialised terms. You cannot throw it out randomly, without any theoretical justification. The equation you used has simply no physical significance in almost all cases. The special circumstance of a black hole is not due to its mass, but its great density, which makes the determination of the normal idea of surface area impossible. In a "singularity" model of a black hole, the standard surface area value is 0.

Yes, but i ment the surface area of the black hole.

 

[FZ+]

Then you will note it has no relevance to your claim that gravitation is based on surface area for any entity of greater mass.

Additionally, I think you are abusing the idea of higgs particles. They do not crush - in fact, the concept of crush has no meaning at the scales in which they operate.

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by Sariaht
Pretend that the center of the Earth is in the midle of three pizza slices, attracting each other. Were is the pressaure at the highest? In the oven.

Classic. So you're just screwing with us, is that what you're trying to say?

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

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EDIT this one, posted above

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Last edited by Sariaht on 02-25-2004 at 09:41 AM[/color]

 

[Sariaht]

Originally posted by russ_watters
Classic. So you're just screwing with us, is that what you're trying to say? No, I'm thinking. One man can think.

No. But the pressaure is at the highest in between the http://shopping.yahoo.com/b_ovens-and-stoves_21014260;_ylc=X3oDNDdtNWNzBF9nZwNnbG9iYWxfZ3JvdXAEX1MDMjc2NjY3OQRzZWMDaXkEc2xrA21haW51cmw-?__yltc=s%3A2766679%2Csec%3Aiy%2Cslk%3Amainurl

 

[GRQC]

Originally posted by FZ+
Sariaht... do you ever pause to consider what the equations you spout actually mean? This is true for black holes, and black holes only, because the "surface area" of a black hole is based on its event horizon, the distance at which light cannot escape, thus relating surface area directly to gravitation. The majority of objects in this universe lack an event horizon, and surface area is based on its atoms' e-m interactions etc.

This idea is actually the basis for the Beckenstein bound, and more recently the holographic principle. The entropy of a black hole is proportional to the horizon area, so the extension was made to assume that the entropic content of *any* system was bounded by the (minimal) bounding surface area. The idea of simple spheres breaks down for large spacelike surfaces, but Bousso extended the idea to the sphere surfaces being replaced by "light sheets" ('area' of the inward pointing light cone) whose base is the boundary of the region of interest.

The holographic principle bascially states that the state of a D-dimensional region is completely determined by information contained on the D-1-dimensional boundary. This has been most successful with the AdS-CFT correspondence, showing a link between a 5-D AdS spacetime and 4-D conformal field theory (basically a link between classical gravitation and quantum field theory).

However, I'm not convinced that's what is being argued here.

 

[russ_watters]

Originally posted by Sariaht
No. But the pressaure is at the highest in between the http://shopping.yahoo.com/b_ovens-and-stoves_21014260;_ylc=X3oDNDdtNWNzBF9nZwNnbG9iYWxfZ3JvdXAEX1MDMjc2NjY3OQRzZWMDaXkEc2xrA21haW51cmw-?__yltc=s%3A2766679%2Csec%3Aiy%2Cslk%3Amainurl

Bad grammar and a dead link. Part of the problem here is what you are saying simply makes no sense. Its meaningless.

 

[Sariaht]

In between the pizza slices, ofcourse.

If the pizzaslices moves against each other...

 

[Sariaht]

Look, the guy with the theory is partly right:

1.If particles vibrate within a mass, there is a cause.

2.If and only if the cause is that the higgsparticles
(of some reason) move, gravity can be blamed on this,
In the same way that Michael Allen Gelman blamed it on neutrino flows.