Unsolvable differential equations?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of solutions to the differential equation dg/dt = g^3, particularly focusing on the implications of the derived solutions and the role of arbitrary constants in differential equations. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical reasoning, and implications for specific applications.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the solution g(t) = ±(1/-2t)^(1/2) implies no solution exists for t > 0 due to the square root of a negative number.
  • Another participant introduces the arbitrary constant in the solution g(t) = ±(1/(C-2t))^(1/2), indicating that the presence of this constant alters the interpretation of solutions.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of the arbitrary constant and discusses the behavior of solutions, noting that for r > 1 in the general equation dg/dt = g^r, solutions diverge in finite time.
  • Concerns are raised about the visibility of vertical asymptotes in slope fields, questioning the interpretation of growth rates in graphical representations.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the order of a differential equation and the number of arbitrary constants, with some asserting that the number of constants is not strictly equal to the order of the equation.
  • Examples are provided to illustrate cases where the expected number of constants does not align with the order of the differential equation, leading to further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the order of a differential equation and the number of constants, with no consensus reached. The implications of the derived solutions and their behavior also remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the form of the differential equation can influence the number of constants, and that certain equations may yield solutions with fewer constants than the order would suggest. There are also unresolved questions regarding the interpretation of growth rates and the behavior of solutions in specific contexts.

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Suppose you have the differential equation:

dg/dt=g^3

for a function g(t).

I got that the solution works out to be:

g(t)=\pm \left( \frac{1}{-2t}\right)^{1/2}

Does this mean that the original differential equation has no solution for t>0, since you can't have a negative in a square root?

If so, how did this happen?
 
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There is an arbitrary constant
g(t)=\pm \left( \frac{1}{C-2t}\right)^{1/2}
 


First, you forgot the arbitrary constant:

\int \frac{dg}{g^3} = \int dt

-\frac{1}{2g^2} = t + C

g(t) = \pm \frac{1}{(-2t + C)^{1/2}}

Also, take a look at the slope field for this differential equation. You will see that all trajectories sweep up (or down) away from the t axis, and they diverge in finite time. So, your function simply grows too fast.

In fact, for the general equation

\frac{dg}{dt} = g^r

you will find that for r > 1, solutions will blow up in finite time. Note that r = 1 corresponds to exponential growth. To get faster than exponential growth while still not blowing up in finite time, you need something that is not quite a power...for example

\frac{dg}{dt} = g \ln g

has the solution

g = e^{e^t}
 


lurflurf said:
There is an arbitrary constant
g(t)=\pm \left( \frac{1}{C-2t}\right)^{1/2}

oops. In general, is the number of constants equal to the highest order derivative?

Ben Niehoff said:
Also, take a look at the slope field for this differential equation. You will see that all trajectories sweep up (or down) away from the t axis, and they diverge in finite time. So, your function simply grows too fast.

But can you really see vertical asymptotes from a graph? If you have y=x^2, then at x=1000 all the slopes look vertical.

Anyways, the differential equation I chose is of the form of the beta function in QED calculated to 1-loop. I was just wondering if you could integrate it to get the coupling as a function of energy. So would t=C/2 in your formula correspond to what is called a Landau pole?
 


RedX said:
In general, is the number of constants equal to the highest order derivative?

Not in general no. Though there are theorems that establish that fact with restrictions. One problem is constants can arise due the form of an equation rather than the order of differentiation.

(y')^2-3yy'+2y^2=0
has only first derivatives but the solution has two constants
y=C1*exp(x)+C2*exp(2x)
 


lurflurf said:
Not in general no. Though there are theorems that establish that fact with restrictions. One problem is constants can arise due the form of an equation rather than the order of differentiation.

(y')^2-3yy'+2y^2=0
has only first derivatives but the solution has two constants
y=C1*exp(x)+C2*exp(2x)

Would it be safe to say that a differential equation has at least a number of constants equal to the order? So for your example you have a first order equation having two constants, and two is greater than one. So for example a 2nd order differential equation would have at least two constants, but perhaps more?
 


RedX said:
Would it be safe to say that a differential equation has at least a number of constants equal to the order? So for your example you have a first order equation having two constants, and two is greater than one. So for example a 2nd order differential equation would have at least two constants, but perhaps more?

No, consider
(y')^2+y^2=0
which has one solution y=0 and no constants
or
(y')^2+y^2=-1
which has no solutions

Each order differentiation gives the potantial for a constant, but the relation of the derivatives (the form of the differential equation) can add or subtract from that. This is why your hypothesis hold when the differential equation is simple.
 

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