Untreated diabetic + ketosis = even higher blood sugar?

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The discussion revolves around the metabolic processes in untreated type 1 diabetics, particularly focusing on the relationship between ketosis, blood sugar levels, and the role of insulin in glucose uptake. Participants explore the implications of weight loss, the breakdown of body fat and muscle, and the effects of consuming different types of sugars.

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  • Some participants propose that untreated type 1 diabetics may rely on ketone bodies for energy when insulin is absent, raising questions about the impact of weight loss on blood sugar levels.
  • There is a discussion about the metabolic sequence involving glycogenolysis and gluconeogenesis in the breakdown of body fat or muscle, with uncertainty about the necessity of being out of sugar to metabolize fat.
  • One participant questions the insulin dependency of glucose uptake in cells, suggesting that fructose and galactose might allow untreated diabetics to maintain normal blood sugar levels without insulin.
  • Another participant explains the role of GLUT proteins in glucose uptake, noting the differences in insulin dependency among various cell types.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential issues associated with fructose consumption, indicating ongoing investigations into its effects.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the metabolic processes involved in untreated diabetes, with no clear consensus on the implications of ketosis, the role of different sugars, or the metabolic pathways discussed. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

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Participants express confusion regarding the metabolic processes, indicating potential limitations in understanding the sequence of events in energy metabolism and the role of insulin. There are also references to ongoing research regarding fructose consumption.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying diabetes, metabolic processes, nutrition, and the physiological roles of insulin and alternative energy sources in the body.

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Since most normal body cells do need insulin to take up glucose, do type 1 diabetics instead have to run off of ketone bodies when insulin is not present?
*If this is the case, wouldn't weight loss in untreated type 1 diabetics actually make their blood sugar go even higher but also be necessary, since their other body cells can't function without ketone bodies for fuel?

Thanks! :)
 
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In order to break down body fat or muscle, do you first have to undergo glycogenolysis and then gluconeogenesis?

I assume ketone bodies (made in the liver from fatty acids) are just used as a way to export acetyl CoA (derived from body fat, fat from food, muscle, or protein from food) to other body cells... Is this right?

In order to even break down fat and access the fatty acids, don't you have to be out of sugar to metabolize?
Does the drop in blood sugar trigger glycogenolysis and then gluconeogenesis after glycogen stores are depleted?
I was thinking that gluconeogenesis was the only way fat or protein could get broken down...

Is that right...? :/ ...very confused... :(
Thanks so much!
 
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My understanding is that monosaccharides circulating in the bloodstream enter cells to undergo cellular respiration.
Glucose requires insulin to enter cells, but fructose and galactose do not (insulin-independent)?

Is the above statement correct?

I was wondering, then, if untreated diabetics only ate fructose and galactose-would their blood sugar always be normal? They wouldn't need insulin, then, it seems...
 
Glucose is taken into cells using GLUT proteins, which enable their facilitated diffusion. GLUT4 proteins found in muscles cells are not permanently present in the plasma membrane, and are usually kept in the cytoplasm. When insulin binds to its specific receptor outside the cell, thr GLUT4 proteins fuse with the plasma membrane, and glucose is then able to move into the cell. In reality of course, insulin concentrations vary continuously, and so does the number of these protein molecules present on the plasma membranes of muscle cells.

Brain cells and liver cells have GLUT1 and GLUT2 proteins respectively, and these are always present in the plasma membrane of these cells, so their glucose uptake would continue even in the absence of insulin.
 

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