News US forces use of Chemical weapons in Fallujah

[Art]

Art nice link, although I laughed, I shouldn't have.. because this whole thing is ****ing despicable, and since we should "do to those as we want done to us" Imagine that was one of (y)our children!

That's precisely how I do think of it. If foreign troops came to my country and did that I would devote the rest of my life to paying them back and I wouldn't be mollified by being told how free I was and how grateful I should be that I now had a vote. I wonder how americans on here would react if a foreign occupying army did that to their children. Would they still maintain their cool detachment, their love of semantics and their "well that's war" attitude? Somehow I don't think so.
IMO There will be repercussions for the american people for decades to come.

 

[Evo]

Even if one were to accept the military are that stupid both manslaughter and murder 1 are both crimes. The people responsible for these crimes should be brought to book.

There are no crimes, it's hearsay.

As I said many posts ago in a response to Evo I'd be quite happy to see the US commanders try to argue that they were simply stupid and not malicious in a court of law and let the judges decide.

They know what they're using and the side effects. It's a war, incase you missed that.

When you have the battalion doctor casually dropping a few WP or HE shells into a city for a bit of a thrill then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the approach to tackling insurgents.

This is getting ridiculous.

Thread closed.

 

[Evo]

Ooops, Bystander was posting a reply when I closed the thread and it deleted.

Per Evo's earlier mail let's try to keep the quality of this debate at the standard you would expect on a science forum.

I'm all for deleting the entire thread, too.

You will find it in one of the links I have already posted. If you doubt it's veracity check with the chemistry forum to see if WP + water produces an exothermic reaction

WP is stored under water. That means that there is NO reaction, or, more specifically, that your link is of dubious veracity. "First aid," or treatment of WP victims includes immersion of the affected body parts in water for debridement (vigorous) to remove phosphorus embedded in tissues.

I've requested of a couple other participants of this thread that they keep the speculative nonsense down here rather than cluttering serious forums.

(causing burns) plus phosphoric acid exacerbating same. It does not seem particularly strange to me that dry clothes should remain unaffected though this is totally irrelevant to the main (snip). Here you go. In this link it actually states 35 C.
Quote:
Ignition temperature : Ignition temperature or ignition point is the temperature at which the fire starts. Below the ignition temperature, even if a combustible substance is present along with oxygen, the fire will not start. Therefore a substance has to be heated to its ignition temperature before it starts burning. For example, the ignition temperature of white phosphorus is 35°C (snip)

You've drawn a number of inferences, incorrectly, from this source. 1) you have assumed that no reaction occurs below the autoignition temperature; 2) you have assumed that there is no heat source (see 1)

 

[Evo]

And a reply to me from Art.

Say 'cheese'

Every day since they started firing rounds into the city, other Marines have stopped by the mortar pit to take a turn dropping mortars into the tube and firing at some unseen target.

Like tourists at some macabre carnival, some bring cameras and have other troops snap photos of their combat shot. Even the battalion surgeon fired a few Saturday, just for sport.

Everyone wants to "get some," the troops explain, some joking that Fallujah is like a live-fire range.

Some have started to think of what happens after all the guns go silent.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/04/11/military/iraq/19_30_504_10_04.txt

This is a bit different from what I thought, but I apologize, you weren't making it up, it was just a bit out of context. It had sounded like you were saying the doctor was firing at civilians during the initial fighting for fun, that's not the case. What they're doing is scheduled firing and different people are dropping the shells in for "photo ops". Tasteless in my opinion and I don't know if regulations allow that, I would think only certain people would be allowed to do that.