US Military OCS, physical scientist.

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The discussion revolves around the career path for physical scientists in the U.S. Military Officer Candidate School (OCS). Participants explore the implications of joining the military with a physics background, concerns about combat roles, and the potential for research opportunities within the military structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire to utilize their physics degree without being deployed to combat zones, questioning the realities of military service.
  • Others argue that joining the military inherently involves the possibility of combat, emphasizing that the military's primary function is combat.
  • One participant suggests that a PhD is necessary for a successful career in scientific research within the military, while others propose that there are roles available for those with a bachelor's degree.
  • There are claims that military scientists may not be deployed to combat zones as frequently as combat roles, with some asserting that they primarily work on domestic soil.
  • A later reply challenges the notion that military scientists can avoid combat, citing the need for field experience in certain positions and the unpredictable nature of military assignments.
  • Concerns are raised about the military's treatment of well-educated individuals, with some questioning whether their skills would be wasted in combat roles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the likelihood of avoiding combat roles as a physical scientist in the military. Some believe that it is possible to work primarily in research positions, while others assert that combat is an unavoidable aspect of military service.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the nature of military service, the roles available to physical scientists, and the expectations of deployment. There is a lack of consensus on the balance between scientific work and combat duties.

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Does anyone have any experience with the military officer candidate school career path for physical scientists?

I would like to put my physics B.S. to use, but I don't think I can get into a graduate program. I also don't want to join just to get shipped into a combat zone.

What's it like?
 
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Back when I was searching I found that each of the branches have (unofficial) forums dedicated to everything OCS. Don't mean to take traffic away from here but you can likely get a ton of information there.

For example: http://www.usnavyocs.com/portal/index.php

All other branches have links on the side.
 
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You should not join with the expectation of avoiding combat. The job of the military is combat.
 
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What he said.
 
Yup. The better you are, the more likely that somebody will find a combat role for you. don't want to fight? Don't join.
 
In order to forge a career in one of these fields, you'll really need a PhD, in order to be able to carry advanced research at either a university or some research institute or a company that has reason to support scientific research and development.
 
You MUST serve a period of time in a combat zone - primarily Afghanistan or Iraq - after OCS. Otherwise don't join.

The only viable path is grad school.
 
Not necessarily. From what some of my training officers have told me, and the actual contracts I signed, once I obtain both my physics (b.s) and biology (b.s.) degrees, I will work in their scientific department, 61S Scientists for about 3 years, then head on to grad school so that I can satisfy a higher rank within the scientist bracket.

In your case, it really depends on what job you choose or MOS, they provide you with great jobs and depending on the need in certain areas, you have a higher chance than not in being placed in a job you want within the military. Most people on here say, "you will be in combat zones," which is pretty false considering military scientists are primarily housed on the home soil. Infantry, aviation, etc..., are all placed into combat situations as that is their primary MOS or occupation they have chosen.

Do not listen to the comments above, talk to other officers, etc..., who have more knowledge. I can only come from my own situation and how things have been playing out so far.
 
Well, I think your perspective might be different after you have actually been in.

In your specific case, the career path for 61S's (and 62E's) goes to 63A, acquisitions officer. Look at the people in 63A positions - see how many of them have field experience? That's because the Air Force is not going to trust the procurement of items necessary to its success to people without that experience.

More generally, the purpose of the armed forces is combat, and given a choice between what you want and "the needs of the service", the latter will win every time. Every single time. So while it is possible that one will never see the outside of the lab, you should never assume that you've joined "the other Army - the one with the condos". You need to be prepared for a conversation that goes like this:

"Lieutenant Butterbar? It turns out that we have this really nice billet for you all set up at Wright-Patt. Thing is, you see, they're not going to be ready for you for another, oh, six months or so. But don't worry - we've found a place to take you on for that time. It's in a place called Fallujah.".
 
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This is the kind of conflicting answer that will make me avoid it. However, do they really stick a gun in the hands of 'academics' and march them to the front line? Seems like a waste of an education, to me.
 
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feathermoon said:
This is the kind of conflicting answer that will make me avoid it. However, do they really stick a gun in the hands of 'academics' and march them to the front line? Seems like a waste of an education, to me.

Is your MOS infantry?

People always imagine the worst case scenario.
 
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feathermoon said:
This is the kind of conflicting answer that will make me avoid it. However, do they really stick a gun in the hands of 'academics' and march them to the front line? Seems like a waste of an education, to me.

You should not join the military. Seriously. Your world-view and theirs are not compatible.

From the military's point of view, combat is what they do. If you are well-educated, that serves the military only insofar as it improves their ability to successfully conduct their operations.
 

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